To stop nurse from giving me an Iv flush?

@EachandEveryonehow are you ?

This job is for a role in oncology/chemotherapy and I wonder if that is why they will be trained/allowed to administer IV's. I work on a surgical ward and we were told any band 4's working in our area would not be able to administer IV'S.

OP i wish you well and very much hope this situation gets sorted quickly for you.

They are nursing associates

https://www.jobs.nhs.uk/candidate/jobadvert/C9418-24-0552?employer=south%20west%20yorkshire%20partnership%20nhs%20&language=&page=407#:~:text=specifically%20identified%20tasks.-,This%20will%20include%20but%20is%20not%20limited%20to%20patient%20observation,sodium%20chloride%20following%20appropriate%20training.

here you go op - here is a band 4 job description in beds. It clearly says they can flush a PICC

It is the same in many places and many settings

Band 4’s are not HCAs

im a former nurse and know nothing of bands because I don’t live in the uk , you might have been a little rude but that’s understandable when you are stressed and you have every right to question things if you feel someone isn’t competent in what they are doing..

Yes, plainly if you don’t work for NHS management you are experienced in victim blaming and misrepresenting your own history.

Or did HQ delete your post because it was so very kind and friendly to the OP.

I have agreed throughout the entire thread that the OP should refuse the care if she felt the Band 4 wasn't qualified. I initially suggested that she should ask for a 2nd staff member to be there during her care. It's evident that the OP has made requests to both the Band 4 and Band 5 and unfortunately they are still ignoring this.... hence why I suggested she could go higher than them. It's obvious speaking with them isn't getting her anywhere?

Not sure what behaviours I've invented 😂 Or what hugher hurdles I've suggested?

Again you fail to read the OP.

The OP queried the inappropriate attempted procedure to a senior nurse who just shrugged and said “she does it in her own country”. Which makes the band 5 just as bad in this case. The band 5 has no way of knowing if the band 4 HCA is experienced and qualified in the procedure because as a band 4 employee the only checks will have been on band 4 requirements. The fact that the HCA approached the procedure incorrectly suggests that they are not qualified whatever they claim.

Read the OP’s posts. She has many times asked the HCA to stop her inappropriate and frankly dangerous “care” (especially in intimate settings), she has raised this with the senior nurse available and had no support.

Most posters on this thread including those with experience in medical settings have no trouble recognising this as shockingly bad care to a very sick patient.

Your responses are:

• to abuse the OP
• accuse her of behaviours invented in your imagination
• give her even higher hurdles to jump in order to get basic humanly decent care and safe care

I mentioned politely speaking to a different staff member (a Nurse in Charge on the next shift).... wtf are you banging on about. I didn't say speak to the HCA?

Many Trusts have their picc and iv dressing policy online so you just Google the trust involved, if it's not being followed then that's a cause to complain. It's not just a alcohol swab and blue gloves and a staff band doesn't matter as long as they are trained , certificated, competent and legally allowed to carry out a task

Splitting hairs a little, though? It's clear that @HesterLee was saying that a PICC needs a specific approach and just grabbing a flush isn't it.

You need to use sterile gloves and any equipment and dressing.

That looks properly sore OP. I'm sorry man.

You cannot create a sterile field.

You utilise a ANTT

Good grief have you even read the OP’s posts? The care she describes is shockingly bad, she has asked multiple times for the HCA to desist in her behaviour and been ignored and now she has been ignored and manhandled during intimate care by the HCA.

But yes what really matters is that the HCA isn’t offended because she is just doing her job. She isn’t doing her job, she is plainly providing shit quality care. The biggest single failing in our health care system is this attitude that patients are some sort of supplicant who must be “grateful” for even the worst quality care and treatment. Its a system which fails to reward the good and overly rewards the bad.

There is no excuse for the treatment the OP is receiving from this HCA - your constant minimising of it and putting the onus onto the OP for not being polite enough whilst ill and in pain and receiving crap “care” is exactly why we have so many problems with care quality. Just how polite is it to ignore a patient wanting to wash their genitals in private and grab their body whilst they are naked and vulnerable? I’m gobsmacked that anyone can think this is remotely acceptable.

Good God, what a peculiar thing to be so invested in, you and @Ponoka7 !
I'm a chronic "noticer". I like to get to know my environment so I make it my business to learn about my surroundings. I'm the person sitting there looking about me, not engrossed in my phone. My way of keeping calm when I'm in a place like a hospital is to read anything and everything in sight so to tell me I just haven't noticed is so unlikely as to be ridiculous. If I'm feeling stressed, which I usually am when I'm in a hospital environment, my way of coping is to notice more, not less.
I am aware that NHS uniforms are in the process of being standardised but that doesn't seem to have happened yet in any of the 3 different hospital trusts that I have been treated by over the last year. If it had I assume the poster that explains the new colours (which I have seen online), would have been displayed and I have no doubt that it will be eventually.
So to address your 3 points:

1. If the info had been there, I would have noticed it.
2. It might be pretty standard but it is not

1. I will look next time I'm in a hospital - and I will be very interested to see it when it does appear - but the last hospital I was in, the week before last, no such info was displayed.

I have a chronic illness and probably would have hurled the sippy cup at her head! When you are ill and in pain and feeling vulnerable and dependent - the last thing you need is some nurse patronising you and invading your personal space. Much love to you 😘

Whether the band 4 is qualified to administer IV meds via a PICC in this particular case or not, it sounds like she attempted to flush the line without creating a sterile field which is definitely incorrect. She needs re-training at the very least.

You may just not have noticed.

I think its pretty standard.

Look next time you're there.

I do hope you're not insinuating that I'm lying. It might be unusual in your experience but it isn't in mine.

I’m so sorry you’re having to deal with this. Please speak to the charge nurse and tell them your concerns about who is flushing your line.
I hope you can get some relief from the discomfort you are suffering. X

You have no idea what this lady is going through with her cancer; it’s sheer hell!!
Arsey?? She has every right!

My son has a hickman line and has had several picc lines in the past. Line infections can be deadly and I wouldn't let anyone near his line if I didn't believe they were trained to care for his line. If that made me rude, so be it.

YANBU, at all.

Our Band 5's give controlled drugs without another nurse present to check too, which blew my mind when moving from the hospital setting to community.

Hope you feel better soon @EachandEveryone