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Is living on the state pension really that bad?

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cateringday · 21/02/2026 09:07

I mean, if you own your home then you’re getting around £250 a week just for bills and spends.
i have a tiny pension and DH has none. I am always worrying about this but then realised that we will have no rent or mortgage to pay.
im just wondering if it would be as awful as people make out? I hear stuff saying you need £300000 in pension pot to have a comfortable retirement, why would you need that much?

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ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 17:18

catmothertes1 · 22/02/2026 16:50

Most people who have large outgoings might also have had the type of income throughout their lives that made those large outgoings possible. They probably had the opportunity to save in other pensions. If they did not,they really should have.

My post wasn’t about pensions. It was a separate conversation to do with someone not claiming sick pay.

catmothertes1 · 22/02/2026 16:50

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:35

SSP is nowhere near the amount of money most people need to live on, given people’s outgoings tend to be based on their normal salary. And for those whose employer’s pay their sickness pay, this is not time unlimited.

Most people who have large outgoings might also have had the type of income throughout their lives that made those large outgoings possible. They probably had the opportunity to save in other pensions. If they did not,they really should have.

Pddn · 22/02/2026 16:49

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:24

You just have no idea do you? Such a position of privilege.

What are you on about?

Is it wrong what I believe in personal responsibility and taking responsibility for your working life and saving for your own retirement.

Yes we all pay into NI to fund current pensioners. How about a system where we phase this out and people just pay and save their own money? No need to pay NI so can privately save it ?

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:45

Thechaseison71 · 22/02/2026 16:27

And sometimes the working partner does as few hours as possible and claims top ups

Or works all the hours God sends and still doesn't earn nuch

You really can't base everything on middle class family with good chance of career progression

I was responding to a poster suggesting that SAHPs had not contributed to the state. I was saying that wasn’t necessarily the case as many were enabling higher earnings through their partner.

I am quite aware that all SAHPs are not middle class. Most of the ones I know simply couldn’t afford to work whilst their children were young due to the cost of child care. But they did return afterwards as they couldn’t afford not to.

catmothertes1 · 22/02/2026 16:43

LoyalMember · 22/02/2026 15:00

Speaking of pensions, I just bumped into a childhood friend outside Morrisons who's not long retired after 30 years in Police Scotland. He did various things, like myself, after leaving school and eventually joined Strathclyde Police as it was then. I can’t imagine he'll be worrying much about a state pension. It'll be like expenses compared to a Police Pension. Lucky him, eh...

Edited

You could have joined a police force too.

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:35

Pddn · 22/02/2026 12:14

Very commendable I thought you'd be able to claim for the time you were off work sick

SSP is nowhere near the amount of money most people need to live on, given people’s outgoings tend to be based on their normal salary. And for those whose employer’s pay their sickness pay, this is not time unlimited.

Thechaseison71 · 22/02/2026 16:27

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:22

Often where there is a SAHP in the family, this enables their partner to become a higher earner as there is always going to be someone there for childcare so they are able to apply for promotions and jobs at a level that wouldn’t be available to them if they had to be around to share school pick up - so it’s not as simple as them not contributing because they aren’t working outside of the home.

And sometimes the working partner does as few hours as possible and claims top ups

Or works all the hours God sends and still doesn't earn nuch

You really can't base everything on middle class family with good chance of career progression

Thechaseison71 · 22/02/2026 16:25

Jasonandtheargonauts · 22/02/2026 15:08

If you were unable to work long term due to illness you could have claimed UC. I think you'd have had to close down your business to do that. And you'd have had to be living alone not with a partner, as usually with a partner working full time (who will be expected to support you by DWP) their wages will disqualify you from claiming on grounds of low income.

Well I lived alone. Was more " freelance" work and lost a couple of good clients during COVID after their business went down.

However this was a reply to someone who was speaking about it " expected" ( may not be exact words) to suffer anxiety over cancer and get benefits

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:24

Pddn · 22/02/2026 09:38

There's a legal minimum employer contribution of 3%. Even if you are on NMW you can learn to budget and put some away. Don't plan to stay in NNW forever, learn some marketable skills to get a better job.

There's plenty of practical qualifications to do for those who don't even have GCSEs.

I think the state pension needs to be phased out where people get a lump equivalent to what they "paid in" via NI. Ultimately resulting in a world of personal responsibility.

You just have no idea do you? Such a position of privilege.

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:22

Sexentric · 22/02/2026 09:32

Not contributing though. And then a 'burden in the state' when they 'retire' not that they ARE actually retiring if they didn't work anyway!

Often where there is a SAHP in the family, this enables their partner to become a higher earner as there is always going to be someone there for childcare so they are able to apply for promotions and jobs at a level that wouldn’t be available to them if they had to be around to share school pick up - so it’s not as simple as them not contributing because they aren’t working outside of the home.

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:11

Pddn · 22/02/2026 09:07

My main thing is barring extenuating circumstances and health issues isn't the onus on an individual to put away a pension? Whilst you work you put some away, the company matches a certain percentage?

I believe that by law now, companies of a certain size must enroll their employees in a pension scheme and with company schemes, the company pays in too. This was not the case with people who are either currently claiming, or about to claim the state pension. Years ago there was nowhere near the emphasis on paying into a pension and people genuinely believed that state pension would be there to keep them from poverty in old age. And for people living hand to mouth who can’t afford savings, there isn’t the money available to put into a private pension scheme.

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 16:00

XenoBitch · 21/02/2026 23:03

Then stop making shit up like a disabled register. It is harmful and unhelpful

if someone is receiving benefit because of their disability this will be noted on a computer system somewhere. Hence registered as being disabled. The poster isn’t actually saying there is a list somewhere. As I say, it’s semantics. Your posts are verging on harrassment.

Pepperlee · 22/02/2026 16:00

LoyalMember · 22/02/2026 15:00

Speaking of pensions, I just bumped into a childhood friend outside Morrisons who's not long retired after 30 years in Police Scotland. He did various things, like myself, after leaving school and eventually joined Strathclyde Police as it was then. I can’t imagine he'll be worrying much about a state pension. It'll be like expenses compared to a Police Pension. Lucky him, eh...

Edited

Only lucky that he chose a job that pays a good pension. I'd call that wise.

ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 22/02/2026 15:55

XenoBitch · 21/02/2026 22:38

There is no such thing as "registered disabled"

Is this not just semantics ? Someone has been accepted as disabled enough to receive benefits.

Pddn · 22/02/2026 15:53

Pepperlee · 22/02/2026 15:53

I see. Yes it's infuriating when they take the mick and he's not the only one.

And to think DWP fraud team don't care.....

Pepperlee · 22/02/2026 15:53

mydogisthebest · 22/02/2026 13:50

Yes, as I said, he went to his GP and claimed he was depressed and had anxiety so could not leave his house. No real reason for a GP to doubt what a patient is saying and it's not something the GP can see or test for is it.

As someone who has suffered genuine anxiety and panic attacks out of my home it makes me furious. I did have time off work but then went back even though it was a real struggle.

Because he gets benefits and cash in hand for working he is actually fairly well off. Eats out quite a lot and last week took his girlfriend out for Valentines and paid £160 for a meal which he boasted about to me and DH

I see. Yes it's infuriating when they take the mick and he's not the only one.

Pherian · 22/02/2026 15:25

cateringday · 21/02/2026 09:07

I mean, if you own your home then you’re getting around £250 a week just for bills and spends.
i have a tiny pension and DH has none. I am always worrying about this but then realised that we will have no rent or mortgage to pay.
im just wondering if it would be as awful as people make out? I hear stuff saying you need £300000 in pension pot to have a comfortable retirement, why would you need that much?

Depends on what you want to do. If you’re happy not having holidays and spending most of your time at honeymoon- then you should be alright.

Pddn · 22/02/2026 15:21

LoyalMember · 22/02/2026 15:14

Service to the public...

Yes yes better worded

LoyalMember · 22/02/2026 15:14

Pddn · 22/02/2026 15:10

Well he worked for it and deserved it? I'd thank him for his service to the police force.

Service to the public...

Pddn · 22/02/2026 15:10

LoyalMember · 22/02/2026 15:00

Speaking of pensions, I just bumped into a childhood friend outside Morrisons who's not long retired after 30 years in Police Scotland. He did various things, like myself, after leaving school and eventually joined Strathclyde Police as it was then. I can’t imagine he'll be worrying much about a state pension. It'll be like expenses compared to a Police Pension. Lucky him, eh...

Edited

Well he worked for it and deserved it? I'd thank him for his service to the police force.

Jasonandtheargonauts · 22/02/2026 15:08

Thechaseison71 · 22/02/2026 12:11

In the last 5 years I've had cervical cancer and unrelated sepsis that nearly killed me

Both parents died within 18 months of each other, stillborn GC, etc

So does this mean I can get money for it?

If you were unable to work long term due to illness you could have claimed UC. I think you'd have had to close down your business to do that. And you'd have had to be living alone not with a partner, as usually with a partner working full time (who will be expected to support you by DWP) their wages will disqualify you from claiming on grounds of low income.

LoyalMember · 22/02/2026 15:00

Speaking of pensions, I just bumped into a childhood friend outside Morrisons who's not long retired after 30 years in Police Scotland. He did various things, like myself, after leaving school and eventually joined Strathclyde Police as it was then. I can’t imagine he'll be worrying much about a state pension. It'll be like expenses compared to a Police Pension. Lucky him, eh...

Jasonandtheargonauts · 22/02/2026 14:57

Pddn · 22/02/2026 09:38

There's a legal minimum employer contribution of 3%. Even if you are on NMW you can learn to budget and put some away. Don't plan to stay in NNW forever, learn some marketable skills to get a better job.

There's plenty of practical qualifications to do for those who don't even have GCSEs.

I think the state pension needs to be phased out where people get a lump equivalent to what they "paid in" via NI. Ultimately resulting in a world of personal responsibility.

You don't understand what life on NMW is like for a lot of people. For a lot, income equals expenditure and there's nothing spare, so it's not a question of learning to budget. They're already budgeting to make ends meet and there's nothing left over. Upskilling requires both the intelligence to be able to learn whatever-it-is and the money to pay for the course, which as I've just said isn't necessarily available. People can't help being born a bit thick and a lot of people are.

I'm glad the rules have changed and employers have to pay into the pension now.

To fix it all, I believe we need to look at the bigger picture.

I think it's housing that needs reform. No more sky high private rentals and people with no choice but to live in them, claiming benefits to help pay it. Anyone on NLW or below should have the opportunity to live in social housing, with it's much more affordable rents. At least then if benefits are paying it, it's a lower amount needed. Which means building more social housing. So it's not a quick fix solution and may even cost more in the short term than paying all the private rentals for all I know, but I think it needs to be done. With enough social housing there'd be far less temporary housing costs being paid out for the homeless too, they wouldn't be homeless for nearly as long and certainly not decades like happens in some areas, all the while hotel bills being paid by UC.

Debt and the ease of accessing it needs to be looked at too. The amount of debt students can run up isn't right. Sure, some is needed for living expenses and tuition fees, but they're able to run up much more than that.

Everyone else is able to run up too much as well. Some is needed, for things like when people's benefits glitch and they've nothing to live on that month etc. but there needs to be a move away from people on a low income making their lives harder by obtaining debt for treats like holidays or Christmas presents.

People on larger incomes who think it'll be fine because they can pay off the debt easily, then oops now they're redundant or divorced or bereaved and suddenly it's not so easy to make ends meet, that's a problem too.

Debt makes it unnecessarily harder for a lot of people to make ends meet, leading to further debt. So I'd like to see tighter controls on debt versus income and judgement on what the debt is for being a bigger part of the approval process. Necessary debt versus unnecessary debt, rather than just looking at people's ability to pay it off and charging higher interest rates for those with a more sketchy financial history.

There's no reason people should be putting everything on a credit card and paying it off at the end of the month. Or driving around in brand new cars on finance. If people used the money they actually had available already, there'd be no chance of finding themselves only able to make the minimum payment and accruing interest and just making a bad situation worse.

Judging people's ability to pay the rent or mortgage needs to done with common sense. It's ridiculous to deny someone a mortgage when they've been paying more than that in rent each month for the past two years. It's ridiculous to deny someone a rental because it takes two thirds of their salary, when they can prove with a budget that they can meet their living expenses and a look at their bank statements confirms they remain in the black each month and have been saving the equivalent rental amount. We need to stop expecting guarantors people just don't have. And we need to stop judging people on their credit scores (ability to pay back debt) and start judging them on their ability to stay out of debt in the first place. People with savings and who've never had debt being considered a bad prospect for mortgage/rent because they have a bad credit score (because they've never had credit) is just crazy.

Pddn · 22/02/2026 14:50

mydogisthebest · 22/02/2026 14:46

I have lost count of how many times I have reported him over the last 3 years and nothing whatsoever has happened.

This is very unfortunate

mydogisthebest · 22/02/2026 14:47

Thechaseison71 · 22/02/2026 14:31

Laughing at this If he went to his GP and said he couldn't leave the house then id not believe him if he was the GP

Well exactly! He has GP appointments on a fairly regular basis and yet the GP presumably never asks how he has managed to get to the surgery when he can't leave his house.

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