To be the most shocked about the women possibly involved in it all

Sorry, that was for another thread. I’ll ask for it to be deleted.

A significant number of mothers turn a blink eye knowing their children are being abused. They'll put a man before their children.

I dated a man for a while whose sister had been abused by her father. He was adamant he wasnt abused but i wasnt sure however we didnt date very long. What i found more awful was they lived in this tiny home and i couldnt see how the mother hadnt been aware of what was going on. I believe she did but for whatever reason turned a blind eye.

A woman has been jailed in Ireland yesterday for 18 months for not protecting her daughter from sexual abuse by her husband, the girl’s father.
They were child cruelty charges for wilfully neglecting to protect her daughter
The abuse happened over a 13 year period. 🥲
It started when she was 3. At 16 she left home.
Utterly heartbreaking
The father is in prison for 18 years.

But women do regularly protect abusers and allow girls to be abused. As well as being sexually abused at home, I was also abused by a priest who was ‘chaplain’ at the convent school I went to. Believe me, quite a few of the nuns there knew exactly what was going on, and covered it up. (Not all of them, there were some lovely women who I can’t imagine knew anything about it, they would definitely have spoken out.)

I’m afraid GM’s role has never surprised me, though it nevertheless obviously disgusts me. It happens, sadly.

You say off the top of your head, but they spin a 50 year decade and I can’t think of any others. It’s a tiny list when you compare it to males.

Yes..

Yes, brothels madams have too often been romanticised (Madame Claude, Cynthia Payne, who were both exploitative to the women they worked for, or the Dolly Parton film The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas) when they're essentially female pimps. That's what they should be called

Letby is now being seriously questioned. The others, OK.

He makes some good points, but I think he tries too hard to be a contrarian.

Plus none of the above did it for money as far as I know.

There are many female abusers and murderers. Off the top of my head: Rose West, Hindley, Letby, Beverly Allit, Tracy Connelly, 2 recent nursery nurse cases:One suffocated a child in her care and another took indecent images.

What does that mean O W?

GM was essentially playing the role of brothel ‘madam’, supplying girls to wealthy, powerful men. It isn’t actually all that unusual, though it’s uncomfortable to think of a woman exploiting vulnerable girls.

Although it definitely doesn’t sit easy with me that the only person in prison for Epstein’s crimes is a woman. And with her history as Robert Maxwell’s daughter, GM would have been vulnerable to Epstein herself. (No excuse for her actions, obviously.)

If you look at teacher misconduct hearings, it os shocking how many female teachers are sexual predators.

Michael Tracey is a bit of a weirdo himself...he has said some sensible things, but he seems oddly keen to play down Trump's Russian links and even the Bucha massacre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Tracey_(journalist)

Compact is a weird magazine, they have some sensible articles but some of their stuff is odd.

Couldn’t agree more OP- shocking and distressing. There are some truly awful people out there, and it’s so awful to think about.

You are naive to think that women cannot be involved in crimes of this kind. Possibly you have been reading too many of the women are good /men are bad style posts that are so common on here.

I know from experince of providing mental health care to people who have been tortured in Iranian prisons thet women were involved in torturing other women

The defence is basically Epstein didn’t do it. And if he did do it it wasn’t that bad. And if it was bad he didn’t mean it. And.. and … and…. The abusers’ creed around the world.

I’m sorry, but, like @BIWI, I hate the way the writer trashes Virginia Giuffre. Although I accept that Chomsky might have been unfairly maligned.

It’s one thing to (try and) defend Chomsky, but something completely different to trash Virginia Giuffre the way the author does

This article might clarify a bit, from one of Chomsky's defenders - see what you think. I've only read through once so far, but I will re-read when I get the chance. Reliable evidence has to be searched for. https://www.compactmag.com/article/noam-chomsky-was-right-about-epstein/