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To think that it IS inconsistent to judge men who buy sex but not women who sell it (excluding women who are trafficked/traumatised/acting from financial necessity)?

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Carla786 · 20/02/2026 02:22

The thread today where the OP claimed to have been an escort had quite a few posters saying that they don't judge women who sell sex, only men who buy it.

Now, I think that most women selling sex are trafficked and/or doing so from financial necessity and/or suffering from sexual trauma.

So I don't judge them. But I do judge the minority of women, who DO exist, who sell sex when they have other viable options, are financially OK, often educated etc. Ditto men. They are all contributing willingly to an industry which devalues sex, intimacy and the human body.

It does seem inconsistent to exempt women (and men) who sell sex completely from judgement. Denying that women can willingly prop up harmful industries isn't feminist.

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Jumpingthruhoops · 21/02/2026 03:29

But I do judge the minority of women, who DO exist, who sell sex when they have other viable options, are financially OK, often educated etc.

But who are you to say they have 'other viable options'? The OP of that thread you're referring to realised she could make money that way, so she did. For her it was a perfectly 'viable option'. Simple as that really.
Would I do it? No.
Do I judge her for doing it? Also no. Because it couldn't be any less of my business.

OtterlyAstounding · 21/02/2026 03:00

JHound · 21/02/2026 02:34

So women should not dress how they wish nor do the work they wish because others don’t have freedom?

I always find it useful to compare misogyny to racism.

If a black person loves being paid a generously by a white person to behave like a house slave, including being called the n-word, verbally dehumanised and degraded, and lightly whipped (without causing injury), and says it's a great job with good hours and they shouldn't be judged for doing it...

How do we feel about that?

If a black person has an Only Fans where the purpose is to allow white people to call them racist slurs, hurl racial abuse at them, and pay them to perform racist stereotypes on camera, and they tout that as empowering and wonderful because they make a lot of money doing it...

How do we feel about that? Do we judge it? Are other black people entitled to judge it? Is it positive? Or is it contributing to encouraging and emboldening racism, and dehumanising black people?

JHound · 21/02/2026 02:34

KitWyn · 21/02/2026 00:16

But by presenting yourself as the 'happy empowered hooker' you're providing cover for thousands upon thousands of evil pimps, sex traffickers and selfish punters who use and abuse vulnerable women and girls.

The 'happy hooker' cliché is the flip side of a monstrous coin with burqa wearers on the other. These women clutch their dehumanising black shroud and full face cover, screaming: It's my choice and it's empowering me! You don't get to tell me what to do with my body! I do what I want!

That thousands of Muslim women and girls across the world will be bullied, beaten, raped or even killed today for not covering up properly, is irrelevant to the enthusiastic burqa wearer. Not her problem. It's a bit sad, but she's not responsible at all for the suffering of other females.

Bonnie Blue and others like her, have contributed to a global culture where young white western women and girls are seen in many developing countries, and in some communities in the UK, as being 'cheap', 'easy', and willing to have sex with anyone and everyone.

This is both obviously, horribly false and very, very dangerous. It's likely to have been one of the contributing factors to the UK grooming (child rape & torture) gangs. Shocking judges' sentencing remarks often repeated the cruel and contemptuous words used by the rapists for their child victims. Such as 'white slags' or 'this is all you are good for'.

So, those choosing to be a prostitute/OnlyFans-Porn 'creator', or choosing to wear a burqa, when they're genuinely free to choose not to, is very, very selfish.

They're providing cover for the monsters.

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So women should not dress how they wish nor do the work they wish because others don’t have freedom?

KitWyn · 21/02/2026 00:16

SocksAndTheCity · 20/02/2026 04:40

@Carla786 You made it clear that you are talking specifically about women who have freely chosen to engage in sex work, and whether Mumsnet likes it or not there are plenty of them. Two of my closest friends are sex workers, I've met hundreds of others and I'm a former sex worker - I was a stripper for years and also did some adult modelling and webcamming when it was just starting to take off.

All of us are independent, capable adults who decided we wanted to do a lot less work for a lot more money, and I doubt either any of us or the thousands of others doing likewise give a tin shit about the views of some judgemental random on the internet. If any person wants to sell a legal service at a price, time and location decided by us and to a person we're happy to sell it to, that is fuck all to do with anybody else. I don't approve of punching people in the head for a living, so I'm not a boxer.

Apparently Mumsnet can recognise that there are workers in agriculture, manufacturing, hospitality and so on who are not trafficked and vulnerable despite the number who are, but the legitimate, legal sex industry within which many people have worked safely and happily or their own volition for years doesn't exist (and obviously they're all broken or damaged in some way that no other workers are by virtue of their job alone; give me fucking strength).

I'll bow out now before the usual abolitionist shills arrive with the 'buying women's bodies' horseshit. I often wonder where they think our bodies are being kept after all these sales have taken place. And maybe have a think about why sex workers don't support the Nordic model.

But by presenting yourself as the 'happy empowered hooker' you're providing cover for thousands upon thousands of evil pimps, sex traffickers and selfish punters who use and abuse vulnerable women and girls.

The 'happy hooker' cliché is the flip side of a monstrous coin with burqa wearers on the other. These women clutch their dehumanising black shroud and full face cover, screaming: It's my choice and it's empowering me! You don't get to tell me what to do with my body! I do what I want!

That thousands of Muslim women and girls across the world will be bullied, beaten, raped or even killed today for not covering up properly, is irrelevant to the enthusiastic burqa wearer. Not her problem. It's a bit sad, but she's not responsible at all for the suffering of other females.

Bonnie Blue and others like her, have contributed to a global culture where young white western women and girls are seen in many developing countries, and in some communities in the UK, as being 'cheap', 'easy', and willing to have sex with anyone and everyone.

This is both obviously, horribly false and very, very dangerous. It's likely to have been one of the contributing factors to the UK grooming (child rape & torture) gangs. Shocking judges' sentencing remarks often repeated the cruel and contemptuous words used by the rapists for their child victims. Such as 'white slags' or 'this is all you are good for'.

So, those choosing to be a prostitute/OnlyFans-Porn 'creator', or choosing to wear a burqa, when they're genuinely free to choose not to, is very, very selfish.

They're providing cover for the monsters.

Carla786 · 20/02/2026 22:54

JLou08 · 20/02/2026 22:04

I'd guess the majority of men would judge the sex worker more harshly than the men buying the sex. Maybe we naturally side with those we identify most with.

Well they shouldn't! But sadly I agree with you.

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Carla786 · 20/02/2026 22:48

MermaidMummy06 · 20/02/2026 21:58

Bonnie blue came to our school leavers celebration (schoolies, Australia) where thousands of drunk 18 year old boys are, to have sex with as many as she could, to exploit them to make money. They're young, naive, and don't understand what risk is involved. It also sends a poor message about respect for women. She has been baned from entering the country, so last year, went to Bali instead - where plenty of Aussie boys go for schoolies. Got thrown into jail & then out of the country.

She's a predator, not a victim.

What a vile woman. It's weird how many posters seem to treat her more as a victim than anything else. She's no better than a predatory man imo.

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SandyY2K · 20/02/2026 22:08

Carla786 · 20/02/2026 18:26

Your greatest asset is yourself and your skill in sex work, which is all down to you.. that can be very empowering.

  • doesn't sound that empowering to me. I understand feeling powerful from earning money but at the end of the day you're still dependent on looking a certain way & doing certain sexual things to earn this money. How 'empowering' is that really,
Re documentaries: I get that, (can you recommend any titles?) otoh though they may be focusing on positive stories. Also be aware of Linda Lovelace type cases where someone claims to be happy with it but is being abused behind scenes.
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It's a case of different strokes, for different folks.

What's empowering to one woman isn't for the other.

Fearlesssloth · 20/02/2026 22:05

Carla786 · 20/02/2026 02:39

True. But they do exist.

To give that thread as an example, the OP said she had been a Domme (which I think often tends to not involve much physical contact). She said she used it to fund travel, a house & a second degree. It didn't sound like she had to do it out of poverty or coercion.
Several pps defended her choice by saying no woman in the sex industry really chooses it and so they can't be blamed for participating in the system, and that the men are bad so they're entitled to take their money.

In a situation like hers (thinking high class escort like that escort Billie Piper played in the drama about her life years ago..Belle someone) I don’t judge the men buying it half as much as I do the creepy kerb crawlers who go out looking for a 20 quid shag and couldn’t care less whether the woman’s been trafficked or not. With high-end escorts, it feels much more equal, feels like the woman is in control, has chosen to do it and it’s just not as seedy and gross as street sex work is. However I wouldn’t really judge either of them in this situation. Provided he’s not cheating, they’re two consenting adults on fairly equal footing, choosing to do this. It doesn’t affect me in any way, so why would I care? It is a tiny, tiny minority of sex workers who fit this description though..

JLou08 · 20/02/2026 22:04

I'd guess the majority of men would judge the sex worker more harshly than the men buying the sex. Maybe we naturally side with those we identify most with.

MermaidMummy06 · 20/02/2026 21:58

Doingtheboxerbeat · 20/02/2026 03:37

It's not what you want to hear, but something about it feels unequal but I can't articulate why.
It's like with that Bonnie Blue nonsense, I couldn't help but judge the men who participated in it just a little 🤏more than I judged her - I'm sorry, it's just the way I feel.

Bonnie blue came to our school leavers celebration (schoolies, Australia) where thousands of drunk 18 year old boys are, to have sex with as many as she could, to exploit them to make money. They're young, naive, and don't understand what risk is involved. It also sends a poor message about respect for women. She has been baned from entering the country, so last year, went to Bali instead - where plenty of Aussie boys go for schoolies. Got thrown into jail & then out of the country.

She's a predator, not a victim.

TheGoodOnesAreAllGone · 20/02/2026 21:54

If a woman chooses to sell sex, that's up to them and no judgement from me.

A man who chooses to buy sex can't really know for sure that the woman hasn't been trafficked or otherwise. This indicates to me that they don't really give a fuck about consent and I will absolutely judge them for that

Carla786 · 20/02/2026 21:49

Playingvideogames · 20/02/2026 20:39

These things aren’t ’equal but opposite’ though. They never can be. Women will always be far more vulnerable in sexual situations than men, regardless of who is paying.

I don’t get as worked up about prostitution as others do on here. I don’t approve, but I don’t really judge either, and I think it’ll always carry on behind the scenes so there’s no point being horrified/outraged.

All we can really do is what we are doing, offering free sexual health services and a benefit safety net. What else is there?

It'll always carry on : trafficking needs to be cracked down on though. And benefits safety net clearly hasn't stopped quite a few women from being driven to it by poverty.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/sex-workers-cost-of-living-prostitution-b2899549.html

https://www.povertyalliance.org/guest-blog-how-the-cost-of-living-crisis-is-impacting-the-lives-of-women-who-sell-or-exchange-sex/

https://www.bigissue.com/news/social-justice/sex-work-disabled-people-women-cost-of-living/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63714963#:~:text=Niki%20Adams%2C%20a%20spokesperson%20for,they%20cannot%20afford%20not%20to

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/apr/29/vulnerable-uk-women-forced-into-survival-sex-by-cost-of-living-crisis#:~:text=The%20crisis%20is%20also%20making,more%20demands%20on%20their%20services.%E2%80%9D

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2024-08-28/growing-number-of-women-turning-to-sex-work-amid-colossal-rise-in-living-costs

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.politicshome.com/news/article/selling-sex-covid&ved=2ahUKEwjm-9bihemSAxU_dUEAHbcvFyo4ChAWegQILhAB&usg=AOvVaw3EVLIzIZ2_vlMdIVhMrDGh

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/22/universal-credit-hardship-linked-to-prostitution

https://news.sky.com/story/cost-of-living-crisis-pushing-more-women-into-sex-work-and-unable-to-refuse-dangerous-clients-12675932

https://hillheadreview.co.uk/female-students-turning-to-sex-work-amidst-financial-chaos/

Why are more women turning to sex work this year?

Sex work helplines have seen calls increase by a third in recent months, as more women seek to start – or restart – sex work. Radhika Sanghani speaks to sex workers and support workers to find out why

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/sex-workers-cost-of-living-prostitution-b2899549.html

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JHound · 20/02/2026 21:44

It’s not inconsistent at all.

Just like junkies and drug dealers are not viewed the same.

HTH. (Although I would argue selling sex is far more stigmatised that buying it.)

Carla786 · 20/02/2026 21:41

CactusSwoonedEnding · 20/02/2026 21:07

Two women - both single mothers, with the same number of kids, same capacity to only manage a few hours of employment on minimum wage in school hours and reliant on UC for topping up so same entitlement to benefits. Both love their kids to bits and would do anything for them.

One of the women has never been abused, grew up with parents who loved her, knows she is valid and has self respect. Would rather get by on the tiny income allowed through state benefits than become a receptacle for strangers to use, does not become a prostitute, because her spirit has not been broken.

The other woman grew up abused, and went right on in to only ever abusive relationships in adulthood. Does not know what a healthy relationship is like, has no self esteem, has always been told she is worthless by everyone around her. As she believes herself to be worthless she does not see any point in not regularly surrendering her bodily integrity to being used by strangers. She has been broken by the world. She appears to have chosen prostitution "of her own free will" - she has not been trafficked or forced, but she was set on this path long before she was able to make a choice of any kind.

No woman who participates in the sex trade is a criminal, unless she actively works towards pulling in other women and girls. She is a victim. No man who participates in the (heterosexual) sex trade is innocent. Every punter or pimp is committing rape or rape by proxy because no "consent" in that context can exist uncoerced. There is a grey area for men in the homosexual sex trade as there will be some in each category.

I agree with a lot of this, but this part :

'The other woman grew up abused, and went right on in to only ever abusive relationships in adulthood. Does not know what a healthy relationship is like, has no self esteem, has always been told she is worthless by everyone around her.'

  • this is definitely the case for a lot of people in that situation but otoh I've come across women in that kind of situation in research who didn't seem to have that kind of abuse history. Someone might not have been abused, and might possibly have some amount of agency over clients (eg. Luckier ones seem to use escort agencies which might screen clients, ones with regulars have a bit more choice over who) but still feel pushed into the situation in one way or another : worried about children, wanting to give them more etc
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Anyahyacinth · 20/02/2026 21:08

Who would be left and how would you exclude society wide Patriarchy?

CactusSwoonedEnding · 20/02/2026 21:07

Two women - both single mothers, with the same number of kids, same capacity to only manage a few hours of employment on minimum wage in school hours and reliant on UC for topping up so same entitlement to benefits. Both love their kids to bits and would do anything for them.

One of the women has never been abused, grew up with parents who loved her, knows she is valid and has self respect. Would rather get by on the tiny income allowed through state benefits than become a receptacle for strangers to use, does not become a prostitute, because her spirit has not been broken.

The other woman grew up abused, and went right on in to only ever abusive relationships in adulthood. Does not know what a healthy relationship is like, has no self esteem, has always been told she is worthless by everyone around her. As she believes herself to be worthless she does not see any point in not regularly surrendering her bodily integrity to being used by strangers. She has been broken by the world. She appears to have chosen prostitution "of her own free will" - she has not been trafficked or forced, but she was set on this path long before she was able to make a choice of any kind.

No woman who participates in the sex trade is a criminal, unless she actively works towards pulling in other women and girls. She is a victim. No man who participates in the (heterosexual) sex trade is innocent. Every punter or pimp is committing rape or rape by proxy because no "consent" in that context can exist uncoerced. There is a grey area for men in the homosexual sex trade as there will be some in each category.

Playingvideogames · 20/02/2026 20:39

YourGreenCat · 20/02/2026 10:37

I agree

There's a disproportionate number of women who are exploited, enslaved - and let's not go into children suffering worst fate.

We all got that.

But there are also women who willingly decide to be an escort (better paid than your street corner hooker), women who famously move to places like I don't know Dubai to make it a business. When it's between 2 consenting adults, why judging?

Do we judge women who employ male escorts?

These things aren’t ’equal but opposite’ though. They never can be. Women will always be far more vulnerable in sexual situations than men, regardless of who is paying.

I don’t get as worked up about prostitution as others do on here. I don’t approve, but I don’t really judge either, and I think it’ll always carry on behind the scenes so there’s no point being horrified/outraged.

All we can really do is what we are doing, offering free sexual health services and a benefit safety net. What else is there?

TheMorgenmuffel · 20/02/2026 20:28

I judge the men more because they don't know or care whether the woman is being trafficked, abused, is desperate or is the mythical 'happy hooker' that men who use prostituted women convince themselves is everywhere.

Carla786 · 20/02/2026 20:26

catipuss · 20/02/2026 08:42

Some women also buy sex, usually older women younger men.

Yes, Gambia is one place that happens. Men also buy sex from other men, of course, too.

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Carla786 · 20/02/2026 20:25

bumphousebump · 20/02/2026 08:36

I don’t judge the men either (in non trafficking etc situations). So many relationships are transactional, marriage started as a financial contract. A man who wants sex, better he pays for it from someone who is freely doing that. I judge heavily men who go off to Thailand etc…

That isn't positive though, re transactional relationships. Luckily women have opportunities now to get by using skills apart from beauty & sexuality. If you are not in desperate financial need there are other options.

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Carla786 · 20/02/2026 20:23

The13thFairy · 20/02/2026 16:37

There couldn't be a male Bonnie Blue. He wouldn't find a hundred women queueing up for the very doubtful pleasure of having his penis in their bodies for a few thrusts. They'd all know where he'd been and wouldn't want to get acquainted with the horror show that was his mucous membranes.

Good point. There actually was (in that Drake Von, a gay male porn actor tried the same thing). Significantly, he was taking the penetrative role, which I think changes the equation. Not to mention he wasn't soliciting random teenagers but other gay porn actors.

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Carla786 · 20/02/2026 20:19

Sartre · 20/02/2026 12:46

It’s tricky. As with anything, if men didn’t create the market for sex work then it wouldn’t exist and the horrendous crimes associated with it wouldn’t either. So yes, men are the primary problem.Very few women choose to do this when they have other career options. It’s usually forced through economic necessity. Yes they could work in a shop but they have children and min wage doesn’t cover the bills, for example.

My best friend (gay man) is a sex worker. I have found it difficult to understand his perspective but he does it for money and the money he’s earned is insane. I’m considered a ‘high earner’ but he earns at least double what I do.

I agree with this.

Interesting re your friend: I read a Reddit AMA once with a young man who was studying computer science (or so he claimed, it could've all been lies) and selling sex some evenings. He seemed smugly happy & to be earning a lot. Several men on the thread expressed jealousy he was getting paid to have sex! Significantly, this was to earn extra money, so he was able to pick his clients.

Men in the porn industry & sex industry suffer a lot too, but online at least there's often a jokey attitude. One thing I do think is that male 'happy hooker'/porn actor types tend to be taking the more active role, whether they're having sex with women or men. Thus they have more physical control, less STD risk if not using protection, and maybe more sense of agency. Women who sell sex are very often in quite a different situation. Dominatrixes often seem to have a similar attitude, probably because they are in more of the active role (and may have little physical contact)

Re your friend : does he find his job difficult emotionally/mentally? Or is he mainly happy with it?

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TheWildZebra · 20/02/2026 18:43

Crushed23 · 20/02/2026 04:10

So you’re asking is the woman who willingly becomes a sex worker to pay university fees, fund holidays and buy designer clothes (that’s the impression I got from that poster) morally equivalent to the man who pays for sex?

Interesting question, never really thought about it. 🧐

No she’s just smart and works hard for her money. Sex work is work.

Wynter25 · 20/02/2026 18:35

Yabu

Carla786 · 20/02/2026 18:32

Notmyreality · 20/02/2026 08:28

I judge both, but my judgement is that they are all free to do as they please. Women will always sell sex and men will always buy it. Always has been and always will. It’s ridiculous to think it will ever change or indeed that it should.

Why do you think it shouldn't change?

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