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Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

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busymomtoone · 19/02/2026 21:55

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

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KnittyNell · 20/02/2026 14:19

ThePerfectWeekender · 20/02/2026 06:06

Poor Falklanders if they do...

Poor sheep. 😁

TheGander · 20/02/2026 14:16

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 14:08

Isn’t that picture of Prince Edward’s son. It looks very like him

What exactly is weird about the picture

Also why are we saying that a ball looks like a breast when it looks like it has got what looks like felt butterfly’s struck to it.

I agree, another example of stuff being projected onto anything he’s ever done. Even if it is a ball that looks like a breast- is that so heinous?

TheGander · 20/02/2026 14:14

He’s entitled, lecherous, rude, snobbish and none too intelligent. He enjoys sex with young women, uses prostitutes and probably gives no thought at all to the lives of the people around him whom he just sees as staff. He’s abused his position as trade envoy, conflict of interest doesn’t begin to cover it. No one has come out publicly to say anything positive about him. However, I am a bit uncomfortable with the glee at his downfall. There’s something quite vengeful and sadistic about it. We seem to be projecting all sorts of things onto him- pedophilia, torture chambers etc. Some of this is skidding into the realms of morbid fantasy. My hope is for a full investigation into his business/ financial dealings and an overdue examination of the royal family’s financial affairs as a whole.

HawkinsLabsColdwarEra · 20/02/2026 14:09

simpsonthecat · 20/02/2026 14:08

There is so much wrong with every paragraph of your post that I honestly do not know where to begin.
It's the usual stuff by Royalists and a lot of massaging of actual facts.

by all means go point by point and make a counter arguments, it would be intriguing to read your points

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 14:08

Isn’t that picture of Prince Edward’s son. It looks very like him

What exactly is weird about the picture

Also why are we saying that a ball looks like a breast when it looks like it has got what looks like felt butterfly’s struck to it.

simpsonthecat · 20/02/2026 14:08

HawkinsLabsColdwarEra · 20/02/2026 14:03

heres a basic summary :

The British royal family contributes to the UK in several key ways that go beyond just ceremony.

First, they provide a focus for national identity, unity, and stability. The monarch acts as head of state in a non-political role, offering continuity through traditions like the State Opening of Parliament, Remembrance Sunday, or Christmas broadcasts. This helps unite people across divides, especially in tough times, and gives a sense of shared history and pride.

Second, they boost the economy, particularly through tourism. Places like Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, and the Tower of London (with the Crown Jewels) draw millions of visitors—many overseas tourists list royal sites as must-sees. Studies estimate the monarchy adds hundreds of millions annually in tourism revenue, plus knock-on effects for hotels, shops, and brands linked to "royal" prestige (think Royal Warrants boosting sales).

Third, they support a huge range of charities and voluntary work. Working royals are patrons of over 1,000 organisations, highlighting causes from mental health and the environment (like Prince William's Earthshot Prize) to humanitarian aid. They complete thousands of engagements yearly, shining a spotlight on community efforts, local heroes, and issues that matter.

Finally, on the global stage, they deliver soft power and diplomacy. State visits, hosting world leaders, and Commonwealth ties build relationships, open trade doors, and promote British values and culture without getting into party politics—something elected leaders can't always do as freely.

The official cost (via the Sovereign Grant) is around £1-2 per person yearly, funded from Crown Estate profits rather than direct taxes in a straightforward way. While debates exist about the full picture (including security), many argue the cultural, economic, and diplomatic returns far outweigh it. Overall, the family represents the UK in a unique, enduring way that few other institutions could match.

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There is so much wrong with every paragraph of your post that I honestly do not know where to begin.
It's the usual stuff by Royalists and a lot of massaging of actual facts.

FlowerFairyDaisy · 20/02/2026 14:06

I don't think it's a question of feeling sorry for him but you can see how it happened. It is the result of a person who is not particularly intelligent born into great wealth and privilege who was, from the outset, spoilt and indulged, not told off for being rude or given a very strong moral compass. I have known people like it. Narcissists who are a shell; they lack a good and strong inner core.

Epstein and Maxwell were incredibly skilled at schmoozing and grooming the vulnerable. Both Andrew MBW and SF were vulnerable and of the belief that they were untouchable. And once they became involved and got a taste for what could be provided by JE & GM, they became addicted to the friendship and all that it provided them with. Gorged themselves with all the stuff that they enjoyed and thought they were above consequences. Thought they were above the Law and the intelligence services.

I find it particularly difficult to wrap my head around them involving their daughters in the friendship with JE & GM. I think again, a lot of grooming, charming and a lack of morality and intelligence made it all seem okay.

The RF have to publicly shun AMW but I don't believe he will be privately cast out. His ex-wife and his daughters will not go no contact with him; they have always had one another's backs. I do think that his daughters probably are struggling with how they should feel about their parents and what they did, though.

I have a lot of admiration for Virginia Guiffre, I think she was an incredibly brave woman who spoke out despite all kinds of awful threats.

HawkinsLabsColdwarEra · 20/02/2026 14:03

simpsonthecat · 20/02/2026 13:52

I find it amazing that there are posts on here expressing sympathy and putting it all down to his upbringing, the royal institution, anything but a man who was incapable of thinking of anyone but himself.

Let's not forget he showed no sympathy for victims of sexual abuse, and refused to regret his friendship with a known convicted sex trafficker of young girls. He was given every opportunity to show regret, but even now, there is none.

All that has been asked of him was to lead a half decent life, but he couldn't even do that. What a wonderful life he could have had. Lots of travel, holidays, the best of the best everywhere, a bit of charity work here and there, and family time with his grandchildren. Sympathy? Never in a million years.

What on earth do the Royals bring to this country... all I see is divorce, falling out, greed and avarice, family arguments, and lying. I cannot see the point of them.
And let's bear in mind we probably know about 10% of the dodgy or bad things they get up to. They have people who are employed to cover up their misdeeds.

heres a basic summary :

The British royal family contributes to the UK in several key ways that go beyond just ceremony.

First, they provide a focus for national identity, unity, and stability. The monarch acts as head of state in a non-political role, offering continuity through traditions like the State Opening of Parliament, Remembrance Sunday, or Christmas broadcasts. This helps unite people across divides, especially in tough times, and gives a sense of shared history and pride.

Second, they boost the economy, particularly through tourism. Places like Buckingham Palace, Windsor Castle, and the Tower of London (with the Crown Jewels) draw millions of visitors—many overseas tourists list royal sites as must-sees. Studies estimate the monarchy adds hundreds of millions annually in tourism revenue, plus knock-on effects for hotels, shops, and brands linked to "royal" prestige (think Royal Warrants boosting sales).

Third, they support a huge range of charities and voluntary work. Working royals are patrons of over 1,000 organisations, highlighting causes from mental health and the environment (like Prince William's Earthshot Prize) to humanitarian aid. They complete thousands of engagements yearly, shining a spotlight on community efforts, local heroes, and issues that matter.

Finally, on the global stage, they deliver soft power and diplomacy. State visits, hosting world leaders, and Commonwealth ties build relationships, open trade doors, and promote British values and culture without getting into party politics—something elected leaders can't always do as freely.

The official cost (via the Sovereign Grant) is around £1-2 per person yearly, funded from Crown Estate profits rather than direct taxes in a straightforward way. While debates exist about the full picture (including security), many argue the cultural, economic, and diplomatic returns far outweigh it. Overall, the family represents the UK in a unique, enduring way that few other institutions could match.

HawkinsLabsColdwarEra · 20/02/2026 14:01

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 13:53

So why are people acting like he has been found guilty and is heading for prison

If he does get charged and does face court, it could be argued that these sort of threads, the media reporting etc means he wouldn’t get a fair trial as most posters are calling him a criminal, a nonce, a paedophile and acting as though he has been convicted and sentenced
At this point in time he hasn’t been charged with anything

What you might think has happened you can speculate on but writing as though it is the truth is libel

not to mention the best legal teams, that can work magic so to speak

simpsonthecat · 20/02/2026 14:01

At this point in time he hasn’t been charged with anything

We quite obviously know that.

JuliettaCaeser · 20/02/2026 13:56

I agree. I can think of tens of families that would do a far better job ours included.

Musing as to whether the wealth and fawning corrupts them or if they were greedy lazy and sly to begin with

FairKoala · 20/02/2026 13:53

QuietPiggy · 20/02/2026 04:53

He has not been charged with anything. He has been released under investigation, which means that the police are still collecting evidence. He may or may not be charged when the investigation is complete.

So why are people acting like he has been found guilty and is heading for prison

If he does get charged and does face court, it could be argued that these sort of threads, the media reporting etc means he wouldn’t get a fair trial as most posters are calling him a criminal, a nonce, a paedophile and acting as though he has been convicted and sentenced
At this point in time he hasn’t been charged with anything

What you might think has happened you can speculate on but writing as though it is the truth is libel

simpsonthecat · 20/02/2026 13:52

I find it amazing that there are posts on here expressing sympathy and putting it all down to his upbringing, the royal institution, anything but a man who was incapable of thinking of anyone but himself.

Let's not forget he showed no sympathy for victims of sexual abuse, and refused to regret his friendship with a known convicted sex trafficker of young girls. He was given every opportunity to show regret, but even now, there is none.

All that has been asked of him was to lead a half decent life, but he couldn't even do that. What a wonderful life he could have had. Lots of travel, holidays, the best of the best everywhere, a bit of charity work here and there, and family time with his grandchildren. Sympathy? Never in a million years.

What on earth do the Royals bring to this country... all I see is divorce, falling out, greed and avarice, family arguments, and lying. I cannot see the point of them.
And let's bear in mind we probably know about 10% of the dodgy or bad things they get up to. They have people who are employed to cover up their misdeeds.

outerspacepotato · 20/02/2026 13:50

Can't say that I do. In fact, I hope to see a lot more of the rich and powerful people in the Epstein files in his position.

Bellaunion · 20/02/2026 13:45

borntooobesilly · 20/02/2026 13:19

Now I have seen the picture of him playing with an innocent baby who has a ball shaped like a breast absolutely any smidgen of concern for him has now completely evaporated. Absolutely sickening ! I think it’s the most damning evidence so far .

Utterly utterly disgusting. The worst part is they are STILL people defending him and his family.

ladyamy · 20/02/2026 13:44

I actually do, too.

Discombobble · 20/02/2026 13:42

No

Luddite26 · 20/02/2026 13:41

It's like when Andrew Lownie s book Entitled first came out people made excuses for the King's brothers behaviour. As the files have been released Lownie has been proved to be telling the truth and legal action made him hold a lot back. But even with all the files that have been released people would still rather shoot the messenger. Calling it a witch hunt.

One thing I don't understand is why, when he gave the money to Virginia Guiffre, did Charles and Anne have to chip in why couldn't it just come from his mother. Surely she had enough. Now it has tarnished Anne as well in black and white rather than just by being his sister. I find that very strange.

Luddite26 · 20/02/2026 13:31

scottishgirl69 · 20/02/2026 12:19

He's not been charged yet - not been on trial - in the eyes of the law not a criminal

Yes I should have put he will be classed as a criminal like all the other lags in nick.

Daygloboo · 20/02/2026 13:25

busymomtoone · 19/02/2026 21:55

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

What i find ridiculous ...horror of it all aside for a moment....is that sarah and andrew were apparently constantly running off to get things from.Epstein as if he was their obligated dad or something and they were spoilt teenagers. If it wasnt so horrific, it would almost be comical. They just seem like such utter twats.

Willmoris · 20/02/2026 13:25

I do, a bit. The crimes he has been accused of are heinous but a reminder to all on this thread that he's not even been charged with an offence yet.

If he is charged, there is no chance of a fair trial, and whether he is found guilty or innocent, people will always believe there to have been some kind of state cover-up.

He has already lost every bit of status he ever had, will never be able to appear in public or maybe even see much of his family in private ever again.

He will be a target of paedophile hunters for the rest of his life - and even if he were to be found guilty and serve a sentence, when released he will not be able to move to another part of the country, slip into anonymity and start afresh like any other person.

Epstein's girls were groomed and the crimes committed against them horrific. But this boy prince was also groomed in a different way, from birth, for a life as "the spare": absent parents, an emotionally repressed family life and no choice in his destiny, all under the glare of a long range camera lens. I actually think there is a fair chance he will decide to end his life over what has happened.

What I will add is "Well done Harry" for recognising this country's toxic relationship with its royal family, and getting his family out. You did the right thing, mate 👍

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Discoated · 20/02/2026 13:21

borntooobesilly · 20/02/2026 13:19

Now I have seen the picture of him playing with an innocent baby who has a ball shaped like a breast absolutely any smidgen of concern for him has now completely evaporated. Absolutely sickening ! I think it’s the most damning evidence so far .

I reckon this sort of thing is actually classed as SA. I'm not sure, any social workers or lawyers here that could clarify?

borntooobesilly · 20/02/2026 13:19

Now I have seen the picture of him playing with an innocent baby who has a ball shaped like a breast absolutely any smidgen of concern for him has now completely evaporated. Absolutely sickening ! I think it’s the most damning evidence so far .

Mikehunt2018 · 20/02/2026 13:19

LondonLass61 · 20/02/2026 13:16

How he reacts from now will be very telling. I do think that his best chance of any kind of personal redemption is to put his hands up and make a full and frank contribution and/or confession to all and any enquiries/commissions.
I think that that would be the best way to live with himself tbh.

He should but I don't think he'll do that as from what I've heard about him he has no self-awareness or humility whatsoever.

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