Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

You've well and truly missed the point.

Haha, No!

@busymomtoone No I don’t feel sorry for him. I do feel sorry for you though. Your username indicates you have a child so I hope you do them a favour by raising your standards after reflecting on the replies here. Nobody needs to feel sorry for an abuser.

We should not be minimising his behaviour by saying it was inappropriate. Misconduct in public office for a Royal (even if an ex) is serious. Remember the last Royal to be arrested by the State was Charles 1 and that led to a republic. Our current king is well educated in history and knows the potential implications of what is happening very well. The Monarchy is in self preservation mode and, as before in history, they will sacrifice whatever or whoever they need to, to survive.
In that context you can have some sympathy he is being the scapegoat and a product of his toxic environment, but he made the choices so he has to face the consequences.

I keep posting this as do others, because it’s not widely understood, due in large part to the media talking about differing age of consent in the world. It’s not about age of consent, it’s about being trafficked.

Trafficked people cannot consent to any sexual relations because they are not there of their own free will, having been taken there by AN Other for the purposes of providing sexual services. For example Virginia Guiffre did not initially arrange to meet Andrew herself nor arrange their further meetings. She was a slave essentially, with an owner (JE).

Therefore, the age of consent is totally irrelevant. VG could have been 37 years of age, or 23 or 50 etc, it’d still be rape, because she was trafficked and therefore could not ever consent.

I doubt this will ever come to trial because it would be impossible to swear in a jury as so much has been said, written, implied about these events that he would not get a fair trial.

Nope.

He thought he was above everyone and had/has shown disregard for anyone he's deemed to be beneath him. I think he really believed he was untouchable. The arrogance is astonishing.

He's reaping what he's sown. I just hope others face justice too.

Fergie is rotten to the core too. Don’t forget she was selling access to Prince Andrew for £500k a time when she got caught out.

So you're not upset powerful men traffic women because well. Men are incapable of not being sex trafficking perverts when given the opportunity?

Bit of a depressing view of men.

Even if you take that stance though why on earth does that make you feel sorry for him? Why wouldn't it make you think change is needed? Topple the house of cards built by wealthy perverts and wipe the skate clean?

To endorse the people who have acted like this is to support and perpetuate it. Why on earth do you think we should accept that?

It is becoming clearer how Epstein, a former school teacher, made his cash. Basically finding rich perverts (rich people) and providing what they wanted then using them to get priviledged information that he used to give others an edge in making money and took a cut. His work on Wall Street revealed to him that most rich people have extreme sexual perversions and he saw an opportunity. It helped he shared them, of course. Most rich people born to money like A are pretty easy to manipulate if you find their perversion. Epstein was a kindered spirit but a bit sharper than the average perv.
In history, has a really powerful man ever not been revealed as a deviant at some stage. It's hard to think of examples.

Absolutely not. No. I have it on good authority that he was a pompous shit when he was younger and now he seems to be a sleazy money grubber as older. No sympsthy at sll. He got himself in this mess.

Absolutely NOT Id charge him with treason and put him in the Tower

Thank you for this articulate response to the batshittery non-thinking.

Nope, not at all.
It pisses me off though, that all these guys are more likely to face consequences for their political and economic misdemenors, when multiple women and girls have been telling of their abuse for years.
The whole bunch of nonces should face real consequences for the abuses they chose to commit.

Others are in the public eye as much as he is, actually, though not so much in this country. (Obviously Trump is, though he’s like Teflon, so I don’t think he’ll ever be properly investigated for his own involvement with Epstein.)

^I completely agree. We don’t want AMW to simply be the fall guy, whilst other perpetrators get off Scot free. They should all face their just deserts.

I don’t feel sorry for him or what he’s done. He did everything in the full knowledge and expectation that he was untouchable. I do think he’s a stooge or a patsy as he’s such a well known name. Others have done similar or far worse but he’s the one in the public eye and therefore can be made an example of. He didn’t do himself ANY favours at that interview and really showed himself to be an arrogant petulant petty little boy. It’s been 6 years since Epsteins death, why is it still only him and ghislaine taking the fall?

I dont feel sorry for him but they released 3 million documents and so far those 3 million have only resulted in this. I know it has to start with someone, but this really must be the start and not the end.

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Not an ounce. Not a tiny jot.

No, jesus.

He's not a young man who has grown up troubled in foster care with a trauma history, or etc. He is a powerful and rich man with every privilege in the world who has been involved in horrible sexual crimes, trafficking, and grooming (either directly or indirectly). He deserves everything that will come his way.

As well as being a disgusting sleaze (at least), he is also a traitor to this country because he has definitely passed sensitive confidential information to JE when he was working as trade envoy.

I haven't felt even the tiniest shred of compassion for Andrew, honestly.

But I voted yanbu because I have felt the kind of pity that you describe before when watching people fall from grace because of their own despicable behaviour. I can't actually think of any examples now, but there is something quite tragic about seeing someone having been the architect of their own downfall. You can undoubtedly pity someone while utterly abhorring their crimes.

But somehow, this one leaves me cold. I feel nothing but disgust for him. And anger.

And even if it’s true that she killed herself (I have my doubts myself that she did, I suspect foul play personally), it wouldn’t have been because of AMW particularly. She suffered SA at the hands of others, including her own father. This will have been the worst betrayal (believe me, I’ve been there). There was also Epstein himself and probably others.

Anyway, I happen to think she was silenced, like Epstein himself probably was

To answer the OP’s question, no I don’t feel the least bit sorry for AMW. He deserves everything he gets now.

He grew up in wealth and privilege.

He never had to worry where his next meal would come from, if his family would pay the bills and he'd end up homeless, never had to worry he couldn't afford the next ig thing clothes wise or whatever. All the things children all over the country have to worry about.

Children grow up in all kinds of horrible. Neglectful. Overpriveleged. Abused. Neglected. Spoilt etc etc environments. Some people in all of those scenarios grow up to do very bad things. Why is privilege and wanting for nothing and excuse for hideous behaviour?

So he deserved to die slowly and painfully on the street, calling for his Mama? I bet you think Alex kicking a tail light also deserved 10 bullets in him too.