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Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

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busymomtoone · 19/02/2026 21:55

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

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AllieJayP · 20/02/2026 10:29

ThatCyanCat · 19/02/2026 22:31

Yes, I actually do a bit. Not because I don't think he deserves it but he's clearly dim and mentally unwell and I wonder if he's just not clever enough to understand and therefore be fully responsible for what he's done. And it's hard seeing anyone looking so absolutely broken even if they deserve it.

But whatever smidgen of something like pity I feel for him is hugely outweighed by sympathy for his victims and fury.

He should have been taught right from wrong………by his Parents !!!

The Queen, his mother, made a point of being seen with him, out riding etc.
….each and every time he was accused of further misdemeanours.

She gave him extra honours…… and chose him to accompany her down the aisle at her late husband’s memorial service.

it is said that she paid ‘the millions’ to Virginia, his alleged victim.

He was apparently never reprimanded for his bad behaviour towards his staff.

it was her terrible parenting that caused him to continue. She enabled and facilitated his behaviour.

ScorchedEarthAdjacent · 20/02/2026 10:27

Seriously? He is feeling sorry for himself because he’s been caught. Did he feel bad about all the awful things he did and the impact it had on the victims and their families? Did he stop what he was doing and alert the authorities? I wish for him to feel the pain he has inflicted on others. Being arrested and questioned is nowhere near the consequences he should endure

something2say · 20/02/2026 10:26

I am not sure if he actually did that. I read there were 'levels' where worse things happened. I do not know what level he was at.

On the point about how all of these files have been released and the effect it is having on normal people reading them and hearing the depravity - I feel that is a way for the DOJ to minimise because 'normal' people are not used to such atrocities and it takes a lot to know the facts, and the effect of those facts makes people want to close down - and if we close down because we can't hear any more, they are more likely to get away with it. You also have the issue of the natural desire to minimise harm - perfectly natural, but not appropriate when there IS actual harm. All so so manipulative.

Crikeyalmighty · 20/02/2026 10:25

Would just like to add that o was quite suprised when I heard a good few years ago my now deceased MIL and FIL just describe him and his ilk as ‘they are just naughty boys’ — and yet if it was someone working class doing this they would be utter sleaze bags - far too much cap doffing was going on towards the royals and wealthy posh people in general.

The13thFairy · 20/02/2026 10:24

Absolutely not, no, no and forever no. You, though ~ I'd swerve you.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 20/02/2026 10:23

something2say · 20/02/2026 10:20

Watching babies be made to suck penises harder? You think he was brought up to be OK with that?

I haven’t heard that he was connected with anything like that. Where have you
heard that?

1dayatatime · 20/02/2026 10:21

BatchCookBabe · 20/02/2026 09:53

100% not one grain of sympathy for this over privileged sweaty gonk. Sick of seeing his face now. He or that grim pig of a man Epstein are on the TV screen every fecking day now, and I am SICK of seeing them. I wish there was a block option on the TV so I could activate it and not see them! Angry

YABVU @busymomtoone

So your lack of sympathy is based on the points that he is a) privileged, b) sweaty and c) a gong. Out of interest would you have any sympathy if he wasn't privileged or sweaty or a gonk.

This is exactly why jury trials no longer deliver impartial justice. You've already prejudged him on his privileged background rather than the evidence.

something2say · 20/02/2026 10:20

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 20/02/2026 10:18

Yes, țhey are all vile. But I do think OP has a point. He was brought up in such a stupid way that he probably has no idea how normal, decent people think and behave.

Watching babies be made to suck penises harder? You think he was brought up to be OK with that?

TheKeatingFive · 20/02/2026 10:19

NewspaperTaxis · 20/02/2026 10:06

The whole thing about whistleblowing is very odd. I've tried it myself re nursing homes and adult social care (euthanasia, frankly) and found to my astonishment it goes nowhere. The bigger the scandal, the bigger the cover up.
There seems to be a sort of code, that in state organisations it is a badge of honour, a sign of being an adult, that you get entrusted with certain secrets, and the darker the secrets, the higher up you are. So long, of course, as you are prepared to maintain secrecy, not if you're a whistleblower - why, then you are clearly not part of the team and deserve to be hounded; cast out as a scab.

Of course, one way to ensure this is for a pension to be lined up for you at the end of play, upon retirement, so you are all on the same gravy train and don't want to see it derailed.
Another reason to maintain secrecy is if they have something on you - some skeleton in your closet which they can use against you at any time. For this reason, the person who has screwed up on the job at some point may fear for their future but quite wrongly - it actually. makes them more employable and promotable simply because there is dirt on them. They are then regarded as a safe pair of hands.

This may be a reason why paedophiles get a free pass at a high level - it is such an odious crime, it's a way of getting folk to keep the dirty secrets, if they have a few of their own. And the State does have some really dirty secrets.

Freemasonry is perhaps a form of this - all the nonsense rituals, the secrecy. It's 'secrets for secrets' sake' - a kind of currency.

What scares me about the whole Epstein island thing is, how would you expose it? It would make Jonathan Pine's situation in The Night Manager look like a stroll in the park. Set up a spy camera in that situation - say to expose abuse in a school changing room, and you can easily see how that would backfire, and make you look like the pervert. You simply don't know if the person you are reporting it to is onside or has been bought up (it's said Harvey Weinstein had the police in his pocket; ironically the Israeili spy outfit Black Cube protected him - but it was disgruntled Black Cube staff who whistleblow his misdeeds to Ronan Farrow - his book Catch and Kill is superb). Some people who claim to be on your side are actually carrying out surveillance on complainants and reporting back your moves. It's not a fun world to find yourself in.

If you were high up in your organisation, why would you throw that all away and make yourself unemployable in your sector just to report someone's misdeeds, after all nobody else has reported it, so it can't be that bad, and maybe the women look like they're enjoying themselves and are up for it so why break ranks etc etc so the thinking would go.
If you were a lowly rank in your organisation, why would anyone believe you? And would you have time to gather the necessary information/evidence without in some way making yourself complicit over time, or getting found out?

Very interesting post. The dynamics of whistleblowing are very interesting

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 20/02/2026 10:18

FunnyOrca · 19/02/2026 21:58

No.

If you feel this, you haven’t read enough of the Epstein files. These men were joking about things I couldn’t even imagine. They all deserve to rot.

Yes, țhey are all vile. But I do think OP has a point. He was brought up in such a stupid way that he probably has no idea how normal, decent people think and behave.

SleeplessInWherever · 20/02/2026 10:18

@SansGonads

Anyone born into Andrew's life and given all that he was given from a young age would have done the same.

No, they wouldn’t. Being born into a life of privilege doesn’t excuse befriending and associating with known sex offenders.

something2say · 20/02/2026 10:18

I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.

Having read the recent book on he and SF, I think he is a dreadful individual brought up terribly, and he has done awful, manipulative, selfish things with his privilege. 'Let's try that again shall we? Go out and come back in again, and THIS time, say 'Your Highness'.'

I think he is not very clever because not ONCE has he checked himself; not ONCE have thoughts like, 'Ought I to do this?' entered his thick head. He has just blundered onwards.

He deserves to be in prison. To lose everything.

The monarchy cannot carry on after this - that level of privilege is not appropriate and never was. We don't need a 'monarchy' and we don't believe in it. Is this what it leads to?

I am disappointed in the police for their soft soap arrest - yes he sent the emails, but what about everything else? It is pathetic. But we can't trust the police and the legal people either can we? We know that. They are just tools for whoever had the most money. They invest their intelligence and education into doing whatever they are told to do.

I am disappointed in the professionals who have worked with AMW for years and covered for him.

And I am disappointed in the fact that he was quietly moved sideways so that the monarchy could pretend he is nothing to do with them anymore. Always protecting themselves, when someone from their family has done wrong. It's not a good look.

I don't feel remotely sorry for any of them.

It is the normal people who are going to need to carry this through by not shutting up.

DreamingOfGeneHunt · 20/02/2026 10:14

Fuck no.

SansGonads · 20/02/2026 10:14

I agree with you, OP- we're so quick to judge and never give a thought for the culture and practice of any given time (which is, in fact, a form of bigotry)
Anyone born into Andrew's life and given all that he was given from a young age would have done the same.
I know you could say that about any and all behaviours, and a line has to be drawn somewhere, but it's the sanctimoniousness that I can't stand.
Plus the continued ignoring of far, far worse crimes and practices because the perpetrators are an awkward demographic.
I actually don't give a fuck about a spoilt prince.
I'm very, very worried about what is happening to Jews in this country- but the fashionable silence is deafening on that front.

TiredCatLady · 20/02/2026 10:12

TheCriticalThinker · 20/02/2026 10:08

Anyone else think this is going to be another Labour scandal? It was Blair who appointed him trade envoy and Brown kept him on. The Tories then got rid of him.

Who were Blair and Brown being advised by..

Peter Mandelson.

Yep. Blair “Middle East Peace Envoy” has gone awfully quiet.

TiredCatLady · 20/02/2026 10:11

Not a single shred of sympathy for the pompous twat.
Nor for Fergie and his daughters who appear to be up to their own grubby necks in the dodgy dealings. The whole family is rotten.

HollyHoly · 20/02/2026 10:09

In the sense that we are all tricoteuses at the guillotine (I don’t exempt myself), yes I do feel a bit sorry for him. It doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t answer in full for what he has done and pay the same price as any other criminal in the same situation.

Buggabootwo · 20/02/2026 10:09

My sympathies are less than zero. However I am interested that the police are pursuing the Misconduct in Public Office offence not the sexual offences. If you think about it, there is much clearer evidence like timed and date stamped emails containing confidential government information that he only had because he was Trade Envoy. It’s black and white whereas sexual offences rely on he said / she said evidence and, as we are all depressingly aware, are bloody difficult to secure convictions. And Misconduct in Public Office can carry a massive prison sentence (up to life).

Feels a bit Al Capone and tax evasion.

scottishgirl69 · 20/02/2026 10:09

busymomtoone · 19/02/2026 21:55

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

No. Not in the slightest

TheCriticalThinker · 20/02/2026 10:08

Anyone else think this is going to be another Labour scandal? It was Blair who appointed him trade envoy and Brown kept him on. The Tories then got rid of him.

Who were Blair and Brown being advised by..

Peter Mandelson.

NewspaperTaxis · 20/02/2026 10:06

Middleagemoper · 20/02/2026 09:36

I don’t feel a shred of sympathy, although certainly he’s been enabled all his life and should have been called out many many years ago, as should all the completely immoral people involved in the whole sorry saga. How can people turn a blind eye just because someone is rich and famous? I know it’s easier said than done when there’s a power imbalance but how can those enablers have stood by and watched while all the shady shit went down? I couldn’t live with myself. Where were the whistleblowers?

I know I’m naive. I want to live in a world where people don’t lie and cheat, where people ‘in charge’ (be it the government, the monarchy, the police) can be trusted! It will
never happen. Humans are predictably corruptible.

The whole thing about whistleblowing is very odd. I've tried it myself re nursing homes and adult social care (euthanasia, frankly) and found to my astonishment it goes nowhere. The bigger the scandal, the bigger the cover up.
There seems to be a sort of code, that in state organisations it is a badge of honour, a sign of being an adult, that you get entrusted with certain secrets, and the darker the secrets, the higher up you are. So long, of course, as you are prepared to maintain secrecy, not if you're a whistleblower - why, then you are clearly not part of the team and deserve to be hounded; cast out as a scab.

Of course, one way to ensure this is for a pension to be lined up for you at the end of play, upon retirement, so you are all on the same gravy train and don't want to see it derailed.
Another reason to maintain secrecy is if they have something on you - some skeleton in your closet which they can use against you at any time. For this reason, the person who has screwed up on the job at some point may fear for their future but quite wrongly - it actually. makes them more employable and promotable simply because there is dirt on them. They are then regarded as a safe pair of hands.

This may be a reason why paedophiles get a free pass at a high level - it is such an odious crime, it's a way of getting folk to keep the dirty secrets, if they have a few of their own. And the State does have some really dirty secrets.

Freemasonry is perhaps a form of this - all the nonsense rituals, the secrecy. It's 'secrets for secrets' sake' - a kind of currency.

What scares me about the whole Epstein island thing is, how would you expose it? It would make Jonathan Pine's situation in The Night Manager look like a stroll in the park. Set up a spy camera in that situation - say to expose abuse in a school changing room, and you can easily see how that would backfire, and make you look like the pervert. You simply don't know if the person you are reporting it to is onside or has been bought up (it's said Harvey Weinstein had the police in his pocket; ironically the Israeili spy outfit Black Cube protected him - but it was disgruntled Black Cube staff who whistleblow his misdeeds to Ronan Farrow - his book Catch and Kill is superb). Some people who claim to be on your side are actually carrying out surveillance on complainants and reporting back your moves. It's not a fun world to find yourself in.

If you were high up in your organisation, why would you throw that all away and make yourself unemployable in your sector just to report someone's misdeeds, after all nobody else has reported it, so it can't be that bad, and maybe the women look like they're enjoying themselves and are up for it so why break ranks etc etc so the thinking would go.
If you were a lowly rank in your organisation, why would anyone believe you? And would you have time to gather the necessary information/evidence without in some way making yourself complicit over time, or getting found out?

AInightingale · 20/02/2026 10:02

I have been wondering too about a possible suicide. Rather than face the further humiliation and public exposure that will come if he has to answer for himself in the dock, if the CPS directs prosecution.

He lives on a farm, and the RF have access to firearms obviously - I think he hunts.

I do wonder what all of this is doing to Charles mentally, and by extension, physically - he is a 77 year old cancer patient, at the end of the day.

zurigo · 20/02/2026 10:00

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he commits suicide. His guns were removed from Royal Lodge after he was stripped of all his titles and honours and told he had to leave RL and the natural conclusion to draw from that is that his family were concerned for his state of mind. I think he's a foul individual and would hate to have had to deal with him in any capacity in life, but there were never any consequences for his appalling behaviour, so it's no wonder he's the person he is. I wouldn't say I exactly feel sorry for him, but I do feel that he was allowed to become this person he is and now that the wider world has found out who he is he's been thrown to the wolves by his enablers.

SemperIdem · 20/02/2026 09:58

No, I can’t say I do feel even slightly sorry for Andrew. I’ve no doubt he is extremely distressed and that is entirely is own fault. He doesn’t lack capacity he is not a victim of anything. He is simply tremendously arrogant and stupid, as one might easily imagine someone of his background to be. Brought up to be well, nothing really.

simpsonthecat · 20/02/2026 09:56

PaperTyger · 20/02/2026 09:54

@simpsonthecat and saying one thing but doing another seems to be a family trait.

I just think that they can say anything and there are no checks on whether they follow through with that! It's all just PR all the time

So reports saying Eugenie has distanced herself from her father/mother/both... don't believe it for one minute.

But I basically don't believe much of what the Palace puts out