Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

Why would he have any sense of honour or doing the right thing though or seeking redemption?

I mean, what could be a possible 'good' reason for Andrew giving a very young toddler a boob ball to play with, photographic evidence of which has been listed in the EF?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15577053/Shamed-Andrew-Mountbatten-Windsor-plays-boob-ball-toddler-Royal-Lodge-2011.html

How he reacts from now will be very telling. I do think that his best chance of any kind of personal redemption is to put his hands up and make a full and frank contribution and/or confession to all and any enquiries/commissions.
I think that that would be the best way to live with himself tbh.

What if you mean OP when you say he was taken to a brothel as a child?

As for feeling sorry for him... No.

Liked The Sun's headline this morning: He's Sweating Now.

Even if he is completely innocent, that doesn't change the fact he has lived as a parasite all his life, squandering money and giving absolutely nothing back. I get that he won't be on trial for that, it's not illegal to waste your life at others' expense, but if he'd been a respected figure who had done some good in his life, people might have more sympathy for him or at least, a more open mind pending any actual convictions.

Fk him.

That's pretty typical - not saying it's right - but I don't think posts on here would prejudice a fair trial

No, on the present information available, I have no sympathy.

If anything were to come out that AMW had historically been an abuse victim, that might change my view, but at present I have heard nothing to suggest that.

He's had a life of privilege. Even the heirs to the throne have a life of privilege that the 'weight' of their duties comes nowhere near justifying, but that is even more true for senior royals who have little or no expectation of becoming monarch.

He lived the life of a playboy - remember 'Randy Andy' and 'Airmiles Andy' and later the tales of Fergie and him living it up when they first got together, ordering 8 course meals at Buckingham Palace for themselves and their mates when they got back from clubbing at 1am?

He's made no attempt to justify his existence - at least the likes of Anne, Edward, Charles and Camilla seem to have some sense of duty to the public, even if their duties fall far short of what most of us would deem full-time work. Even Harry has been involved with noticeable charity work through Invictus and the landmines charity.

Andrew - what has he done? Nothing. Absolutely zilch.

So why are people acting like he has been found guilty and is heading for prison

If he does get charged and does face court, it could be argued that these sort of threads, the media reporting etc means he wouldn’t get a fair trial as most posters are calling him a criminal, a nonce, a paedophile and acting as though he has been convicted and sentenced
At this point in time he hasn’t been charged with anything

And his Father?

I think that if we start feeling sorry for Andrew who had everything handed to him, then who next? Epstein? I have no idea of his upbringing and childhood but I'm sure we could find something to go "oh poor boy, that must have been hard"
Andrew, like Epstein (and the lot of them) was not only a fully grown adult at the time of the offences but he has never shown a crumb of remorse.
There are men out there who have done terrible things, often when young, who have turned their lives around, founded charities, raised awareness and tried to stop others going down the same path.
Them, I can have sympathy for because it is clear that their feeling of guilt has made them into very different men and they are actively trying to prevent the same thing from happening again.
Andrew is the complete opposite of that. It is clear that he feels no guilt and only feels upset because he might be held accountable for his own actions.

I know at least 10 ppl who have met him and without exception every single one of them has said he is a lecherous, entitled, odious prick of a man. I have zero sympathy for him.

Does anyone feel sorry for Eugenie and Beatrice?

Do you think they were aware of what vile humans their parents are?

I think AMW is a vile enitled man and i'm glad he is finally being criminally investigated, but i can still recognise that the process is stressful and have empathy on a human level.
He has never been convicted of a crime (as of yet) but i hope justice is served.

No sympathy for him and rapidly losing respect for other members of the royal family, too.

If he goes to prison I think the royal family should pay the costs. It’s ’His Majesty’s Prison’ so let him foot the bill.

No. Absolute not. The abuse of his power and nature of his (alleged) crimes place him firmly Jimmy Saville territory.

I said similar on another thread.

From birth this man had ALL the winning numbers. Privilege that billions can’t even imagine.

The ONLY thing he had to do in life was not be an incontrovertible cunt.

He didn’t have to work hard, or be clever. He didn’t even have to be especially kind. All he had to do was not be quite such an incontrovertible cunt. Really, you have to put quite some effort in to be a cunt of that magnitude.

Don’t feel any sympathy for that degenerate. He’s not fit to lick your boots.

He's not been charged yet - not been on trial - in the eyes of the law not a criminal

Will he cost the taxpayer more in prison or out of prison!

Neither is AMW now. He's a criminal like all the other lags.

@LizzieW1969 You make a useful point re the dates of the law re trafficking. Thank you. I still stand by my point that this is more than 'peccadillos' at any date. If AMW is convicted of a financial/state crime then so be it. His longstanding support of a convicted CSA criminal (JE) & his use of young trafficked girls remains outstanding, morally if not legally. And he is one of many.

@SansGonads

I don’t think you can apply “it was alright in the….” to this.

It also wasn’t alright in 2001, or 2010.

We’re not talking about a different time, we’re talking about a time when most of us were adults and knew that association with sexual predators was not a wise choice.

Being royal doesn’t absolve him of that, and 16 years ago was not “a different historical time.”

None of us is without our secrets and peccadilloes- just thank god that what you've done and said in the past will remain there

I certainly have things in my past that I don't want aired in public, none of them are criminal though.

Yes @Eastie77Returns - someone upstream commented on the psychology of whistleblowing in relation to one of my posts.

And this is one aspect it occurs to me - where cowardice creeps in through the backdoor, via victim-blaming. For all sorts of reasons, it is easier to feel sympathy for the perpetrator than the victim. Easier, as in more convenient. After all, in Andrew's case, you get to feel the lofty sensation of a royal no less in need of your sympathy. Heady stuff, no? And if you were to let him off, well, then there's no crime to investigate, no need to roll your sleeves up and do a bit of work.

A victim, however, well chances are they won't come out of it too well, as they have a lowly status in the situation - and I bet if you look hard enough you can find something a bit reprehensible about them anyway.

Not saying the OP is doing this. But there are all sorts of tales of reprehensible jailed folk somehow gaining the cooperation and sympathy of lowly screws.

Unfortunately, the incident we know about and can date took place in 2001, before the law on trafficking only entered the statute books in 2003. A law can’t be enacted retrospectively. More’s the pity.

But the crime he’s being investigated for is a serious one and he could still potentially do jail time. If they can figure out a way for him to have a fair trial.