To think Queen Elizabeth's legacy is going to be seriously harmed by this?

Yes you’re right they wouldn’t. Instead they would have told her Private Secretary who would have told her what her son was up to and the compromising situation he had put himself and the family/institution in.

She didn't check the books for Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.Might have asked the odd question eg do we really need to pay taxes? Or has Andrew been behaving himself? Hardly likely the heads of MI5 and 6 or the Met Commissioner are coming round to inform her of impropriety.

"the females"

what is wrong with you? they were girls.

Stable? Did nothing but ruled, whatever that means. Lived a long life and was Queen for 70 years. A world that changed v.liitle for her but moved on outside the walls of Windsor. All she did was ensure the monarchy was going to continue.

Do people really think Her Majesty had access to less information than those who worked in Her Majesty’s Secret Service?!!

🤣🤣

The Queen could have had a penis and still have been a woman.

The first inklings of the Epstein crimes started to leak out in 2008 when the Queen was 82yrs old and already in cognitive decline.

I don’t think she ever got a whiff of the truth. I am sure Charles and Anne decided not to tell her so she wouldn’t die on the spot from the shock.

I think its quitting time for the RF. Lets wrap it up before things get even worse, they had a good run and can't complain.

Yes, it's unlikely that one day he just decided he wanted to be a creep, and then carried on living a perfectly moral life.

Yes, I do think it the better system. Would you be so keen on

A President is not only elected, but limited to 8 years in power.

lazy thinking.
Doreen Lawrence would be good, Floella Benjemin, Tanni Grey-Thompson all sit in the House of Lords and would be a great president.

Our Prime Minister is the executive of the country, the president needs merely to be a figurehead like in Ireland or Germany.

I for one hope this IS the beginning of the end. The quicker the better.

How many 40year old men hang about with 17yr olds.
It's the sexual shenanigans,it's the Trade Envoy stuff,possibly passing Govt documents.
He's a wrong un.
See the most recent photo he knows he's toast.

You're right, America has the President and the head of state as the same person. They have Trump. I'd rather spread the risk but if you think that's a better system that's a valid opinion.

The ones we’ve heard about so far were over UK age of consent. However, the latest files describe covert flights through UK airports of girls on Epsteins plane, girls as young as 9 are mentioned, torture videos featuring Middle Eastern royalty. Virginia was the tip of the iceberg so it seems.

Open the relevant files, let’s see what she knew and what she didn’t 🤷‍♀️

The late Queen was emotionally stunted, calculating and cold as a witch’s tit. Just like the rest of her weird inbred family. This sordid and squalid affair may well be the end of them and their unearned privilege - we can hope, at least.

The deification of QEII is mad. She knew exactly who he was, she just didn’t care because these girls were nothing to her.

None of us are anything to them. If you think they give a toss about their ‘subjects’ you need your head seen to.

A trafficked non minor is also vulnerable

A trafficked minor cannot consent.

Many mothers will go the whole way to protect their children and can't see a thing wrong with their adult child's behaviour.
I don't feel it counts as being a paedophile - the females were over the age of consent in this country. Agree it is unpleasant and exploitative and very sad for the young people involved.

So no say is better than having a say? Democracy not being perfect means that monarchy is the best of a bad lot?

interesting conclusion to come to.

it's that the best you could find, really?

@Gymnopedie yes and all completely manufactured. So utterly depressing.

They are all complicit.