To think Queen Elizabeth's legacy is going to be seriously harmed by this?

Yes , Liz and Phil .
But really we don't know what their values were.

She was trying to keep up the illusion of propriety to keep their position and money safe. She was not that interested in her children

So many mums on here who would protect their ‘little prince’ see it daily on MN

I dont think they operate like normal families. They only see each other by appointment and live in separate wings . Its not like they have dinner together and discuss their day.

They are all like that. The ultimate nepo babies with no redeeming qualities. Andrew is the patsy because he got caught. It’s no coincidence that Charles was best friends with Jimmy Saville and his favourite uncle was also a horrific satanic child abuser. I just don’t get the pearl clutching for this horrible, evil family. What more do they have to do? Diana tried in fairness. The only decent one of the entire, rotten lot.

I think she was largely indifferent towards her children. Had them as a duty. She kept him close because she thought that would make people look the other way when he started going 'to parties'.

I hope not too - but if it happens, I solemnly swear not to pay £12m in hush money to the trafficked woman my son used and discarded 👍

nobody is saying she is to blame that her son is a bad 'un.
They are saying that when she knew - latest when she fronted the 12 million quid - she should have come clean and cut him and his family loose.

I dont think she is to blame. I think its potentially another an interesting picture into the nature vs nurture aspect of a psychopath though.
In an upbringing intended and rigidly planned to teach morals and empathy, out of the 4 children it was the one most doted on who developed those traits.

They didn't actually have team meetings with her.

I hope some of you don’t have kids who turn out to be wrong uns.

Yes, actually, it is. I don't know how much more needs to be said. Here is an adult male (allegedly) committing a crime and instead of focusing on that, the poster choses to blame his mother.
It's absurd that we are even doing that. I don't know what else is to be said on the subject...

well clearly Philip wasn't his sisters was he? and he served in the British navy during the war so clearly he wasn't a huge fan of the Nazis.

In fact Charles thought so highly of van der Post that he is one of William’s godfathers.

Had Charles suffered a scuba diving accident, you'd have had Andrew. That's no kind of argument at all.

Yes but how much would “the palace” tell a doddering 82 yr old?

Oh come on! 😂

In terms of damaging the RF reputation, yes Harry is little better.

Harry and Andrew have both bitten the hand that feeds them.

@MrsLizzieDarcy
Do you really think what Harry has done equates to what Andrew has done?
What are your thoughts on that revered father figure - Louis Mountbatten, the serial child rapist? Or Charles defending the paedophile bishop Peter Ball? Or his relationship with Laurens van der Post - who fathered a child with a 14 year old?
Do you not think that Charles should be bounced into the stratosphere too?

Dad Philip and Andrew? You can see the problem. Whoever thought it a good idea marrying Princess Elizabeth into a family of Nazi sympathisers ie Philip's Aunt (member of the Nazi party, his sisters married to officers in the German Nazi army.) Mind you her Uncle, the brief King, was politically little better I guess.

Plus it was all round Fleet Street at the time of the Christine Keeler, Mandy R D scandal that Philip was involved but no one was to mention it. I expect the fact that his Will is to remain secret ( for 100 years is it? after his death), tells us there's lots of unsavoury business we've not to know about.

Theres absolutely no way the palace was not and is not fully aware of everything that goes on.

The country's got intelligence services, spies and all sorts and we're supposed to believe they don't know everything that's happening?

It's incredibly naive to think that the late Queen didn't know what he was up to. These people are followed 24/7 with security detail. There would have been tabs on him at all times.

I don't think that the RF have really cottoned on to how damaging all this is to them. You've got 2 spares who have behaved appalling but are still in the line of succession. The only way that Charles/William stand a prayer of protecting the Monarchy is to bounce these two entitled prats into the stratosphere and remove them publicly from any relationship with the RF. And fast.

Yes absolutely. There is not a cats chance in hell that she could know everything that the entire secret service knew.

Well quite. She was a mother but also head of state. She had a duty to the country to at least make sure her kids were accountable. She didn't. She made sure Andrew didn't have to be accountable for anything he did. She was also Charles' mother, knew he would have to take over and has left him in the shit.