To think Queen Elizabeth's legacy is going to be seriously harmed by this?

I mean, she’s dead OP so I’d guess she no longer gives a fuck.

You are talking nonsense.

Sensible guy right? 💁‍♂️

There have been many rumours. The thing with the sealing of wills etc is that people automatically assume it's for the reasons Royal wills were sealed in the first place-to hide away gifts to lovers and illegitimate children.

Do we know Philip had lots of affairs? Susan Barrantes sounds likely definitely, as do some others.

Be aware, Lownie's planned next biography may be Prince Philip, he has said. But he'd also said it would be very hard as so many documents are hidden away

This is a part of her legacy - just as a part of all parents' legacies is how their kids turn out as a result of their upbringing. He was raised able to be comfortable in the belief that his wealth and position entitled him to do what he wanted to who he wanted, when he wanted, and where he wanted, and there would be no pushback, apparently even more so than the rest of the pack of leeches.

I'm sure she didn't intend this, and would be mortified by the consequences, but that doesn't change the outcome.

@blossomtoes

Shameful remark

Virginia Guiffre will go down in history as a brave individual who ( hopefully ) helped expose a decades long coverup and showed us us who the Windsors really are.

Actually, I think she just couldn´t take it any more. Walk a few miles in her shoes, and tell us then.

I think this is correct. She didnt know because she didnt want to know. All any of them are bothered about is the survival of the Monarchy. If anything risks that then its beyond the pale. Anything else, as long as no one finds out, do what you like.

The Queen wasn´t a mum like the rest of mums, who can be gaslighted into believing their sons are innocent. She had MI5 and MI6, perfectly capable of writing extensively juicy reports on his activities for her. She either didn´t read them or didn´t think it mattered. After all, uncle Dickie liked those young boys and her husband was shagging left right and centre with this aristocratic friends. So all normal. All men must have their toys.

I agree.

I agree with you. I wonder whether QEII only saw what she wanted to see, and believed her son’s denials that he’d done anything wrong? In this, she’d hardly be unusual; some mothers really do have a blind spot where their precious sons are concerned.

It’s also possible that she was kept in the dark about a lot of it. AMW is quite clearly a consummate liar, like a lot of abusers. (My DM had no idea that my F was sexually abusing my DSis and me.)

However, her actions in paying that money to GF (whether £12m or not) appear to suggest that she didn’t really care whether AMW was guilty or not. She intended to protect him and the Monarchy regardless.

Yes it has very much tarnished her reputation and rightly so. And I think the Monarchy is fatally damaged IMO. I suspect it will be abolished eventually.

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She was the Matriarch of a Mafia type family IMV, albeit scented with titles and deference instead of bullets and murders to stay top dog.

Cover up and secrecy is their biggest sin now. That will cost them dearly when the floodgates open. Hopefully Parliament will insist on a democracy knowing about the machinations of its Head of State at last.

She helped cover it up and pay for it!

I believe he is a Patsy , absolutely guilty but he is thick and of no use or influence so will take the heat off other very important and influential people .

Let’s be clear, only Andrew is responsible for all of the terrible things Andrew did. It doesn’t take away from the fact that lady Victoria Pervy is defending him all over the place and insisting that if you’re not mentioned in the Epstein files at all you’re a “loser”. Which is quite the take.

If you enable them, then yes, you’ve chosen to involve yourself in their BS.

First rule of misogyny: women are responsible for what men do.

FFS.

I think her legacy should be tarnished by this. The rest of the RF can fuck right off. I’ve never been a royalist but at this point chuck the lot of them in the tower as I believe that it wasn’t only the queen who was complicit. Not necessarily in the illegal sense but definitely distracting or attempting to distract everyone else from discussing it.

There are certain people with certain views who no one wants the respect of. Yours is one of them. No-one (at least no one with good morals) cares about what you think.

I have the utmost respect for Virginia for speaking out. She had a truly awful childhood and was taken advantage of by many disgusting older men, and at least one woman. After everything she had been through, to have the strength to speak out and try to tell the world about these awful people, she was so brave. Virginia is a key person in bringing all of this to light and I’ll always respect her for that. I only wish she was here to see it.

She helped him pay off his victims with £12 million. She absolutely knew.

Don’t be so absolutely ridiculous. She didn’t permit anything and I’m sure would be horrified at what has come out of she were still alive. His behaviour is inexcusable but he hasn’t been accused of rape or paedophilia. The late Queen Elizabeth wouldn’t have known what he was getting up to.

It’s her fault she paid off the woman he raped when she was a child, yes.

It was a case in the US Federal Court where the UK legal system was irrelevant. The US legal system that had already successfully prosecuted Epstein and would have welcomed Andrew as the fall guy to take the heat off some American politicians. I can’t respect people whose principles are for sale.