So what do we think will happen to Andrew, could he actually go to prison?

Even if he is, he should still be investigated and tried if he has committed crimes. Just because other people may have done worse, doesn’t mean he should get away with his part in it.

Agreed. I am disgusted with the Irish government agreeing to the St Patrick’s day visit.

Sadly Virginia cannot give evidence against Andrew. Not that there would be a trial. I don’t know how anyone could defend him against this shit show.

Trump, obviously. I think Charles should cancel his visit to the US. The special relationship is over.

I never thought I would say this, but...I do think Andrew is being used to cover up for more prominent figures. He's not the only one and he's not the worst.

He was trade envoy from 2001 to 2011. He told BBC Newsnight in 2019 that he last saw Epstein in New York in early December 2010 to tell the disgraced financier he was breaking off the friendship.

We now know that on Christmas Eve 2010, he emailed Epstein (who was newly released from prison) a confidential briefing on investment opportunities in the reconstruction of Helmand Province, Afghanistan, which was overseen at the time by British armed forces and funded by UK taxpayers’ money. In an email dated 9 February 2011, Andrew suggested Epstein might invest in a private equity firm he visited a week before.

Epstein had been in jail from 2008 to 2010 for solicitation of prostitution and solicitation of prostitution with a minor under the age of 18.

We do, it was about information while he was trade envoy, information he gave JE

In the list I quoted a few pages back about other senior figures who had been found guilty of the same thing, some of them did include charges of sexual misconduct. But in this case, I think he was trade envoy after the VG stuff (not sure on that), so I dont think sexual inappropriateness would be part of the misconduct offences.

If there is evidence that he used his status and public office to sexual abuse, thats another thing to add in of course to the misconduct charges (if they ever come)

I'm very suspicious that he got to have a downsizing clearout before the arrest. We were told his move out of Royal Lodge was expedited in reaction to senior royal annoyance over his being photographed in Windsor Great Park; but what advantageous timing.

I think the police have to be seen to be doing something but I suspect he won't be prosecuted due to lack of evidence/not meeting the threshold/some legal technicality.

No they where CHILDREN.

A specialist fine art van turned up at royal lodge today according to the times.
Very interesting !

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If the Wales and Sussex families all died.

By what process could Andrew become king?

That’s what I said - currently he has been questioned about misconduct in a public office. We just don’t know what kind of misconduct, as is usual when a file has gone to the CPS for charging advice.

Yes all that is correct but that has nothing to do with what I said. My post was in reply to someone claiming (and I cant scroll back and remember exactly) that he should or would be arrested/questioned/investigated for sex crimes.

There is nothing to arrest him for for those at this time. She is conveniently dead. A memoir is not evidence and wont be used to open up or arrest him for rape/sexual assault. Trafficking laws in this country didnt come into effect until after the incident (In the UK, unsure about America). He paid her off, or mum did, because thats how civil suits work and thats what she raised against him.

Being friends with a sex offender, visiting him, hanging round his house is not a criminal offence. Even the apparent emails about discussing this or that girl to be flown over arent evidence of trafficking until there is triangulation or other information.

So my point stands, there is nothing (in respect of sex offences) to arrest him for at the moment

He has been arrested on suspicion of other offences but not those.

As far as we know he hasn’t been arrested for any other offences, although more evidence has come to light recently about his continued contact with Epstein after he said he had cut off all contact. Virginia Guiffre’s memoir was only published last October, clearly saying she was paid by Epstein to have sex with AMW. AMW said that couldn’t have happened because he was at Pizza Express in Woking on one of the dates stated. It’s obvious he lied about his communication with Epstein and he paid Virginia Guiffre off. Or the Queen did. I don’t see how he can live this down. There will be a media circus for weeks.

but they are still innocence either way you spin it

Yes most sensible people know this, people have got him living in prison already, including for sexual offences of which there is nothing to arrest him for at this point.

Correct, whats that got to do with my post?

Absolutely, that’s very true.. I expect him to be arrested as well. If he isn’t, there will be questions as to why.

Mandelson leaked information about an imminent $500bn eurozone bailout, £20bn of UK gov asset sales, tax changes etc. He was in public office and it seems like misconduct was committed.

To be fair, there have been as many references to Trump as to AMW on Mumsnet in relation to the Epstein files. So no, this isn’t a witch hunt against only AMW by any means.

There has also been a lot of focus on Mandelson and his connection to Epstein.

But on the day that AMW was arrested, you would surely expect there to be a lot of attention on him? Especially on a thread about him!

Andrew is no longer a prince and he seems to have been one of the men involved in a large grooming gang. It’s directly relevant.

Thanks! Some other middle eastern country, then?

The Crown Prosecution Service decides whether to prosecute.

I agree.

Bill Clinton. Bill Gates. Elon Musk. You can Google the rest.