So what do we think will happen to Andrew, could he actually go to prison?

I think that depends on the crime the person has committed. Some should be thrown to the wolves.

It’s a fair point, but his former status is a massive factor, alongside his hubristic and hilarious interview. He’s the highest profile person involved on our side of the Atlantic. I’d hope that he will be the first domino though because you’re right, there are bigger devils to catch.

It’s all for show. Nothing will happen to Andrew.

Of course they could put him in prison, just segregate him. There are war criminals in prison, extremely dangerous people and extremely vulnerable people. It’s not safe or nice, but it’s doable to treat him the same way anyone else is treated when their profile makes them at risk.

I don’t actually think it will happen, but it could.

I cant see Andrew grassing on anyone, the people who he might grass on are the only ones likely to give him any shelter.
Plus his life will be in danger if he starts talking.

climbintheback, you are not doing yourself any favours here. Virginia Giuffre was raped and abused and now she is dead. Her children are without their mother. Is that not enough suffering for you?

Most compassionate people can be outraged at what happens to the victims of all grooming gangs, however rich or poor the men running them are.

Lots of things aren't illegal, that doesn't make any of them ok. In fact, those subjects are all about women being sold either with their notional 'consent' (arm behind the back, poverty, feeding the family) or because they've been sold the lie that they need a man to survive.

I wouldn’t believe everything you read.

He won't...

I think Andrew might eventually do an Epstein
and SF will relocate to the ME out of reach of the uk police

They are vile corrupt family who ( imo ) are just like benefit cheats , only it’s a much bigger long time scam for them

I doubt either of them could identify the truth if it was staring them in the face. They've told so many lies already, they're probably confused. More awfulness for their daughters, although I think they need banishing too.

The Rotherham girls went "willingly". That's what grooming is. At the time, they believed they'd been chosen for special treatment and benefits, albeit their benefits were vodka and trainers and VG's were more luxurious.

Thats exactly why until fairly recently teenaged girls were accused at "throwing themselves" at people like Jimmy Saville. They are groomed to believe they're getting what they want out of the situation.

Nonsense - flying around in a private jet to sleep with an old bloke and then paid £15 million is slightly different than being drugged and raped in a filthy flat or back of a taxi by one after another at 12 years old then kicked out into the street pregnant - yes slightly different and still no justice and not given £15 million more like a burger!

As I understand it, she left and chose to return more than once.

Women in sex work have poor outcomes, but often also have adverse childhood experiences which makes it hard to distinguish what causes what.

Personally I don’t believe there is ‘sex work’, it’s all abuse. But that’s not the legal situation.

Men order Thai brides, use dating agencies. It isn’t illegal.

Yes, I am starting to "worry" that AMW is a distraction from all the far more important people involved and by the time they've finished with him, they'll all be dead/infirm.

I also wonder what happened to all the networks? Rich powerful men haven't suddenly gone off sex with vulnerable young women. It seems very naive to think this has all gone away, rather than others have moved in to fill the space.

I hope he gets sent down

Yes agree. Andrew is one of many and possibly he could sing like a canary...I dont see that he has anything left to lose so he might throw others under the bus

Whats he living on at the moment by the way, does he have an independent income?

His lawyers will argue him out of prison - they'll say his status as a member of the Royal Family, albeit a defrocked one, means he would be at too great a risk from other prisoners etc. The most he would get would be a suspended sentence.

Problem is Virginia is dead and can’t give evidence. Gishlaine Maxwell is on record as saying the day the photo was taken was the first (and I think only) time they met. That He’d popped into GM’s flat to see her and virginia was there and wanted a photo 🤷🏻‍♀️

possibly all bollocks but how do you prove it

The idea that it's somehow more ok to be raped if you're getting paid or it's happening in a nice house is a massive barrier to justice. It's part of the reason it took so long for Epstein to go to trial, part of the reason Michael Jackson managed to outlast his accusers and why Weinstein got away with what he did for so long.

Please. Stop.

That this comes from women towards other women horrendous. Being raped is horrible. Being trafficked is horrible. What Giuffre and the other girls went through is horrible. Have you seen how many of them are dead now? Suicide or drugs.

There shouldn't be a limit on compassion people. And just as someone can't consent to their own murder, there is no amount of money that makes it ok to rape someone.

I’m quite pleased that this is about his role in public office.
Sleazy behaviour that’s not unusual in men of his age and situation is not enough- and it’s relevant to him as a private citizen.

I am more interested in the ways he abused his public position, and in the security teams we provided that conspired to allow it. That is the public interest element most relevant to uk citizens, imo.

If we get evidence of child abuse or torture, then I hope they throw the book at him but I want all the others taken down too. I don’t want him used as a fig leaf or distraction. I want him done for indisputable offences, not the kind of thing he was all over the newspapers for with everyone’s full awareness. Having sex with ‘models’ from all around the world- many of whom would not at the time have considered themselves to be victims- is not the crime he should go down for.

typo!

There will be far bigger fish than andrew swimming in this cess pool
Hes a convenient fall guy

Misconduct in public office is quite a hard one to prove. It is "serious, wilful abuse and neglect" and it misconduct must be directly related to the the abuse of power.

If his behaviour in terms of giving information to Epstein can be implied by the defence to have been known by the civil service or the government that he did this, then it would potentially mean it would be hard to get a conviction.

He isn't very clever and so he is unlikely to have been hugely discreet about these things.

I suspect his defence will be "no one told me I couldn't and people knew I did and never said anything". It's the "I'm an idiot" defence but it does mean that it wasn't necessarily "wilful".

So my guess is there are few months of investigation, the CPS reckons the chances to get a conviction are low and so charges are dropped and he is effectively house imprisoned by Charles in Norfolk with no horse riding or trips out allowed.
Until Wills has him knocked off in an unfortunate accident when he becomes king