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LizzieW1969 · 19/02/2026 12:41

HoppityBun · 19/02/2026 11:35

It isn’t “just“ misconduct in public office. It’s a serious offence. I’m not certain that being a member of the royal family is, in fact, a public office, but if he has abused that position then that strikes at the heart of the whole reason for the existence of the royal family. As has been previously noted on here.

Isn’t it likely that KC3 had advanced notice of this last year when he began the moves to unroyal AM-W?

Acting on behalf of the UK government for business interests is what justified his public existence and payments. If there was an offence, and it’s by no means clear that there was, then it was one that was committed in this country and he would be put on trial in this country. And punishments would be served in this country. Weighed against the Epstein debacle those would seem to have far more chance of success, though the Epstein emails may well contain evidence that might be relevant.

I just don’t think the Epstein thing is going to go anywhere as far as Andrew M-W is concerned. This one might have legs. If there has been an offence of misconduct, then it was when he committed against the whole of the UK.

I know that actually, hence ‘just’ being in inverted commas. I should have been clearer about that. I was meaning in the event it was ‘just’ about misconduct in public office and not about rape/SA.

I think it will be some form of justice for the Epstein survivors if he gets convicted of misconduct and has to go to jail. Or even face the humiliation of being put on trial in this country.

However, I wonder whether AMW will be persuaded to reveal all about Epstein in exchange for lesser charges pertaining to misconduct charges? Will Mandelson, who I’m sure knows more than he says about Epstein’s activities?

scoobydeedoo · 19/02/2026 12:40

I wish Virginia Giuffre were here to see this moment.

The statement from her family was very moving, let's hope he actually does face justice.

RainbowBagels · 19/02/2026 12:37

minou123 · 19/02/2026 11:48

A Trade Envoy works with the UK government to promote British business and trade interests abroad. Essentially get trade deals.

Some countries like the UK Royal Family, so having Andrew at the meetings would have helped the UK.

These trade deals and meetings are confidential, secret and should not be shared with anyone.

What did Andrew do? Well, recently the US released a whole bunch of emails between Andrew and Epstein.
Guess what was in the emails?
Yep, Andrew sent copies of confidential details of trade meetings etc.
By doing this, it gives Epstein, an American, power to do deals with US government officials, because he now has secret information about what the Uk is doing.

I hope this makes sense SnugglyJumpersMakeItBetter

In the olden days Andrew would be charged as a traitor (and not the fluffy Claudia Wilkerman kind) 😁

Edited

Someone was saying that he could get away with it by sayingvhe wasnt in ' public office' but he was a working member of the RF who had been given a role, and was apparently being 'paid' by QEII. So again, how can the Royals say they are not a 'public office" while they take taxpayers money on that basis and they were paying him to do that job? If AMW uses that defence its evidence of yet more ' too complicated' arrangements the Royals have where they are one thing when it suits them and another thing when it doesnt. Time we found out exactly who was involved in all this by releasing the TE documents. I suspect there is an awful lot in them about QEII ignoring warnings and advice re AMW in this role.

JustAnotherWhinger · 19/02/2026 12:36

Theda13 · 19/02/2026 12:19

According to the BBC, he’s the first modern member of the Royal Family to have been arrested.

I love how he has been arrested on his birthday.

I hope something actually comes of his arrest, though I doubt it…

Anne must have been convicted under the dangerous dogs act without being arrested for that to be true - I genuinely have no idea if that’s possible, maybe it is because she admitted it?

The BBC did also say he’d be the first royal in court which is incorrect so I’m not entirely sure how accurate they are on this one.

Andouillette · 19/02/2026 12:36

Muffinmam · 19/02/2026 10:44

The UK is NOT leading the way. European nations started arresting the men who whose identities were in the Epstein files.

This is too little - too late.

Andrew should have been charged with SA. He wasn’t.

The Police also need to investigate the murder of the Latvian woman whose body was found near Andrew’s mansion years ago.

Accuracy is important and peddling this load of crap is not accurate. When the poor victim went missing The Andrew Formerly Known as Prince was at Balmoral in front of many witnesses. She was found at Sandringham a good while later, over a mile from the main house and therefore nowhere near TAFKP's mansion which is in a different county, the other side of London. Police arrested two men but unfortunately did not have enough evidence to charge them. She was most likely murdered elsewhere and dumped in the middle of nowhere. Sandringham estate is vast and crossed by several public roads. Anybody can go there.
I am sure we all hope that TAFKP is charged with many reprehensible things and then duly convicted. Muddying the process with nonsense is not going to help. Please stop.

GrooveArmada · 19/02/2026 12:35

The BBC really should tell us the increase in licence fee is due to investment in part 2 of Emily Maitlis interviewing the honourable A #Imworthit M-W in custody.

BeRoseViewer · 19/02/2026 12:35

berlinbaby2025 · 19/02/2026 12:17

Almost nobody is cover enough to know how to clean up their devices of certain illegal activities. There are teams that look forensically at devices and find all sorts. You think you’re permanently deleting your history, permanently destroying your hard drive etc but it’s all useless. That’s why he’s fucked, if it’s true that about him sharing ‘material’ with Epstein.

This:

It's just laborious expensive work but there's little chance of permanently getting rid of something from a device.

Meadowfinch · 19/02/2026 12:34

plentyofsunshine · 19/02/2026 10:13

Hopefully the police officers who were complicit in this will be arrested too.

He's been arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office, ie sharing sensitive information with Epstein. I doubt any police officers would have been aware of the content of his emails.

Happyjoe · 19/02/2026 12:33

JustAnotherWhinger · 19/02/2026 12:31

The BBC have just said that Buckingham palace and the King were not told in advance about Andrew’s arrest, which is interesting.

They had some ex policeman saying they would tell the PM, no idea if true. Which makes sense after the PM was filmed saying about nobody is above the law today? Or yesterday, not sure.

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JustAnotherWhinger · 19/02/2026 12:31

The BBC have just said that Buckingham palace and the King were not told in advance about Andrew’s arrest, which is interesting.

BeRoseViewer · 19/02/2026 12:31

SunshineOnARainyLeith · 19/02/2026 12:09

The age of consent for sex work is 18 in the UK, not 16. If he had sex with a 17 year old girl who was trafficked to the UK for sex, that sounds criminal to me. I don't understand why this point isn't being picked up. Normally 16 is rhe age of consent, but it is older for sex work for all the obvious reasons.

The law around paying for sex with trafficked persons whether you know they are trafficked or not came in in 2010. But payment would have to made.

The law around having sex with a trafficked person, whether you knew they were trafficked or not and whether payment was received or not came in in 2015.

So he'd have to have eligible offences after those dates.

Prior to that the sexual offences act 2003 recognised all persons engaged in paid sex worker aged 16 and 17 were victims of abuse rather than being prostitutes as they would have been deemed as before but the laws were around penalties for people causing them to be engaged in acts of sex work, the pimps and traffickers, not individuals paying for sex with 16 or 17 year olds who could easily say they thought they were over 18 anyway.

Happyjoe · 19/02/2026 12:30

ForQuirkyFawn · 19/02/2026 12:26

All we need now is the men in white coats turning up for the orange man baby in the white house, .....but seriously how has trump stayed out of this clusterf**k whilst everyone else is drowning??...is it some kind of genius??

He just has access to the 'redact' black marker pen. The biggest, most beautiful, amazing black marker pen of course, a la Trump style.

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outerspacepotato · 19/02/2026 12:30

You've got to start somewhere.

👏

Now if only we in the US could join in.

The birthday arrest is the gift that keeps on giving....

IsThisTheWaytoSlamMyPillow · 19/02/2026 12:30

CallMeDaphne · 19/02/2026 10:45

Oh the Grand Old Duke of York,
He had 12 million quid,
He gave it to someone he’d never met,
For something he never did.

(altogether now!)

Class!! 😂

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 19/02/2026 12:29

Apparently he was expecting a delivery from Pizza Express and was shocked to find the old bill when the butler answered the door.

ForQuirkyFawn · 19/02/2026 12:26

All we need now is the men in white coats turning up for the orange man baby in the white house, .....but seriously how has trump stayed out of this clusterf**k whilst everyone else is drowning??...is it some kind of genius??

Happyjoe · 19/02/2026 12:24

Createausername1970 · 19/02/2026 12:10

He is known as The Sweaty Nonce in our household.

That should be used everywhere :-)

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BonBonDong · 19/02/2026 12:23

Just saw this in the Daily Mail coverage

"Policing commentator Danny Shaw told Radio 5 Live that arresting Andrew at his home, instead of inviting him in for an interview, is a departure from standard practice for historical allegations. 'Making an arrest carries the element of surprise, the person's not expecting it,' he said, adding: 'Carrying out the arrest enables them to do searches on the spot.'"

SadTimesInFife · 19/02/2026 12:21

AW has been detained at His Majesty’s pleasure...

Priceless!!

Eggdilemma · 19/02/2026 12:20

HelpMeGetThrough · 19/02/2026 12:14

They are only saying they’ve arrested him as a cover up.

They’ve really taken him out for a Birthday Teddy Bears Picnic.

And he’s got a reservation at pizza express for tonight !

IsThisTheWaytoSlamMyPillow · 19/02/2026 12:19

WarriorN · 19/02/2026 10:15

Wow

live feed says he turns 66 today

He’s spent enough years being ‘666’ and hell is too good for him and the likes of him.

What a sub-human POS he and the others are. Total depravity. Those poor innocent victims, their suffering was and is unimaginable.

Theda13 · 19/02/2026 12:19

According to the BBC, he’s the first modern member of the Royal Family to have been arrested.

I love how he has been arrested on his birthday.

I hope something actually comes of his arrest, though I doubt it…

Kerrylass · 19/02/2026 12:18

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/02/2026 11:51

Or "pending further investigation"?

In other words just enough to give the impression of something being done, in the hope that it'll all die down sooner or later, and the need to avoid prejudicing any trial will calm some of the media comment

I don't know... something feels different this time.

Littlejellyuk · 19/02/2026 12:18

randomchap · 19/02/2026 10:16

I bet he's sweating now

🔥 😆 🤣

berlinbaby2025 · 19/02/2026 12:17

thetemptationofchocolate · 19/02/2026 11:42

Well, exactly. Do we think AMW is bright enough to clean up his computers properly or will he be undone by a forensic tech poking through his files?

I can already knit so I am ready😊

Almost nobody is cover enough to know how to clean up their devices of certain illegal activities. There are teams that look forensically at devices and find all sorts. You think you’re permanently deleting your history, permanently destroying your hard drive etc but it’s all useless. That’s why he’s fucked, if it’s true that about him sharing ‘material’ with Epstein.