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Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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Decisiondecisions · 18/02/2026 14:49

NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

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ForWittyTealOP · 22/02/2026 20:09

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 19:15

If we cut benefits they might have to reconsider.

Any idea of benefit rates?

KiwiFall · 22/02/2026 20:05

No. Even though the state of the company is pretty crap at present, it will be worse under Reform. Not one of them is in politics for the right reasons.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 19:53

KatiePricesKnickers · 22/02/2026 19:39

People earning Slave wages are a net drag on the economy, especially if they have dependents.

But if I want to run a business (a shop, a factory whatever) and become a high earner I need to raise the capital (and take on that risk) but I also need people to work for me. Ideally not slave labour but many of them will need to be earning less than me. Also I might hire expensive people like lawyers and accountants but their jobs wouldn't exist without the people on the factory/shop floor. So the "net tax contributors" can't exist without the people you deem "drags on the economy". It's like emptying most of a planes fuel just before takeof because it's "dead weight and the engine and wings are the ones working together to generate thrust".

I think there's a happy medium where the gap between CEOs and the average employees wages isn't quite so extreme. But unless we make everyones salary the same (not what I think you are advocating) some people will be on lower wages AND be essential to the economy and the earning of higher wages by other people.

SleeplessInWherever · 22/02/2026 19:43

KatiePricesKnickers · 22/02/2026 19:39

People earning Slave wages are a net drag on the economy, especially if they have dependents.

Well. We can either pay everyone in the country £35k, ban lower earners from having children, or reopen workhouses.

Which one to choose…

KatiePricesKnickers · 22/02/2026 19:39

Mosman2020 · 22/02/2026 18:13

The issue we face is one that every western Country faces. The indigenous population refuse to work for slave wages. By introducing immigrants who have no choice but to work for slave wages we can get the work done and generate tax which will subsidise the indigenous population

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People earning Slave wages are a net drag on the economy, especially if they have dependents.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 19:25

1dayatatime · 22/02/2026 19:03

Bloody hell - that's desperate.

Epstein was in contact with Bannon who advised that Brexit was an opportunity. By association the Brexit campaign was being fronted by Farage.

None of this gives any evidence to your post "Do you care about Farage's Russian links" and your theory that Farage had Russian links which I think I have clearly demonstrated (beyond appearing on RT and his comments on Putin) he doesn't have any.

Bannon also gives the impression he was meeting with Farage. He may be lyíng of course, he's a pretty shameless person. But I think ít raises some questions.

I also have a problem with left wing people like Peter Mandleson. Even before the most recent tranche of emails came out I thought he was the wrong choice for Ambassador because his friendship/fawning over someone who was a convicted sex offender and known wrong 'un showed at best poor morals and judgement. That wasn't conspiracy theorising/purity politics. Just judging someone by the people they admire. Likewise Farage's persistent praising of Trump/his repeated attempts to get into Trump's/Musks/Thiells inner circle speaks (tó me) of a very skewed moral compass. Just as Epstein's criminal conviction and rumoured behaviour were common knowledge by 2010,.so Trumps being found guilty of rape his shady dealings, his own comments on walking in on Míss Teen contestants etc etc is common knowledge. Farage's admiration of him isn't any better IMO than Mandlesons admiration of Epstein's wealth and fame. It's not illegal, it just concerning to me. And gives Bannons claims greater credibility.
But time will out. I was right about Mandleson.

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 19:24

1dayatatime · 22/02/2026 19:03

Bloody hell - that's desperate.

Epstein was in contact with Bannon who advised that Brexit was an opportunity. By association the Brexit campaign was being fronted by Farage.

None of this gives any evidence to your post "Do you care about Farage's Russian links" and your theory that Farage had Russian links which I think I have clearly demonstrated (beyond appearing on RT and his comments on Putin) he doesn't have any.

https://youtube.com/shorts/WixMzQa5Lx8?si=m8jwkC7c7HeBzwiv

It's ok, you stick to 'nothing tio see here', 'conspiracy theory', 'desperate'

If Reform is your kind of party, vote for them. I won't.

pointythings · 22/02/2026 19:24

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 19:15

If we cut benefits they might have to reconsider.

Are you also going to lower housing, energy and food costs? Because if you reduce the pittance that UK benefits are, you're going to end up with more street homeless, more crime, more civil unrest.

Why is it that your kind always want to take money away from those who already struggle and hand it to those who are already wealthy?

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 19:15

Mosman2020 · 22/02/2026 18:13

The issue we face is one that every western Country faces. The indigenous population refuse to work for slave wages. By introducing immigrants who have no choice but to work for slave wages we can get the work done and generate tax which will subsidise the indigenous population

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If we cut benefits they might have to reconsider.

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 19:11

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:11

Or you could come out of retirement and do the jobs. The older generation could really show those lazy gen Zers how it's done?

Good idea. Will consider it when I reach retirement if I need the money.

JohnBullshit · 22/02/2026 19:09

No, I am not. Furthermore, I would vote for any party that's not even more far right in order to keep them out. I know they see that as unfair, but boo hoo.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 19:03

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 18:40

DEI is an American term. It has no relevance to UK companies

DEI appears to be a common term in the UK (random search):

NHS Bristol Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI)
Last updated: 09/10/2025
https://www.uhbw.nhs.uk/p/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-dei

Co-operatives UK
The importance of DEI in the workplace
How to build a DEI strategy
https://www.uk.coop/events-and-training/practitioners-forum
EY UK report highlights role of DEI in boosting productivity and talent
https://www.ey.com/en_uk/newsroom/2025/01/ey-report-highlights-critical-role-of-dei-in-uk-business
The boss of Deloitte UK has signalled a split with the firm’s US arm by reaffirming its diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) targets.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/deloitte-uk-trump-america-diversity-b2696677.html

No legal relevance then. My mistake I didn't realise the term had been adopted by some companies. Did you read the policies? My assumption is though they might talk about encouraging applications/removing barriers/making the workplaces proactively safe spaces/corporate speak they won't mention hiring quotas etc. Because in the US environment you can use affirmative action to make sure X percent of new hires are from a minority. In the UK they can't. You can have a "target" but you are very limited in what you can do to meet that target. I haven't read the policies I'm to lazij. I'm just guessing they wont be breaking employment law.

1dayatatime · 22/02/2026 19:03

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 18:08

Bloody hell - that's desperate.

Epstein was in contact with Bannon who advised that Brexit was an opportunity. By association the Brexit campaign was being fronted by Farage.

None of this gives any evidence to your post "Do you care about Farage's Russian links" and your theory that Farage had Russian links which I think I have clearly demonstrated (beyond appearing on RT and his comments on Putin) he doesn't have any.

Winter2020 · 22/02/2026 19:02

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 18:06

I thought we had rising unemployment. They can take on these jobs

Yes rising unemployment and AI decimating some industries/taking jobs so we have plenty of people.

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 18:40

persephonia · 21/02/2026 21:17

DEI is an American term. It has no relevance to UK companies. We do talk about EDI, but the positive discrimination you seem to be alluding to in your example with the football team would be against employment law. Specifically, the Equality Act.

So "the left" (very general term but I think I know who you mean in this case) can talk about equality of outcome/positive discrimination all they like. But they are prohibited from tilting the play field through discrimination by the Equality Act. Yet strangely it's not "the left" saying they want to get rid of it. It's Reform that do. Which sort of suggests it's Reform who are more keen to make discrimination legal in practice than the progressive left.

DEI is an American term. It has no relevance to UK companies

DEI appears to be a common term in the UK (random search):

NHS Bristol Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI)
Last updated: 09/10/2025
https://www.uhbw.nhs.uk/p/about-us/diversity-equity-and-inclusion-dei

Co-operatives UK
The importance of DEI in the workplace
How to build a DEI strategy
https://www.uk.coop/events-and-training/practitioners-forum
EY UK report highlights role of DEI in boosting productivity and talent
https://www.ey.com/en_uk/newsroom/2025/01/ey-report-highlights-critical-role-of-dei-in-uk-business
The boss of Deloitte UK has signalled a split with the firm’s US arm by reaffirming its diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) targets.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/deloitte-uk-trump-america-diversity-b2696677.html

pointythings · 22/02/2026 18:35

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 17:39

If you want to be in denial that is your choice. Dig a little deeper.

You see, this is the 'Do your own research' trope.

The response is Hitchens' Razor: A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Mind you, the clue might be in the word 'multinational' - they tend to have a broader outlook in terms of what effective recruitment looks like for them. Unless you can evidence that companies are deliberately exclusing superior white British candidates in favour of less suitable minority candidates, you've got nothing.

Iwantamarshmallowman · 22/02/2026 18:29

absolutely fucking not.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:26

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 18:15

I thought political opinions were not generally protected characteristics either.

No but belief is. I admit Im woolly about exactly where the line falls. You could argue being Gender Critical is a "political position" but it's protected as a belief, and therefore you can't legally be barred from a pub for being GC even if you are going there after a (political) demonstration.
You can't bar someone for how they voted because you can't know how they voted anyway I guess but I don't know if you could bar someone just for wearing a Labour/Reform rosette. Hmmm. Public Houses are different to eg workíng mens clubs which have more freedom to choose who they want as members and therefore who to serve so they could.
I reçkon it could be an interesting court case íf you were barred for supporting Labour and wanted to argue that supporting Labour was a result of your beliefs. But its not really relevant when its only MPs or political figures (eg Tommy ten names) being banned.

LilyBunch25 · 22/02/2026 18:15

Maybe if hell freezes over, and I wake up next week a size 8, with a huge lottery win, and......oh, wait ✋ still no.

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 18:15

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:00

Being a labour MP doesn't fall under protected characteristics.

Being Male or white does, because sex is a protected characteristic under the EA and so is race. Note it's characteristics that are protected not groups. So "women" isn't a protected group. Sex is a protected characteristic. Which means everyone is protected from discrimination not minorities. And you can't bar someone for being white and male.

Belief is also protected so you can't bar someone for being a Catholic or Gender Critical. I guess that could stretch to political belief if they were banning people for supporting Labour. But I guess if it only targeting MPs it isn't.

I thought political opinions were not generally protected characteristics either.

Mosman2020 · 22/02/2026 18:13

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 18:06

I thought we had rising unemployment. They can take on these jobs

The issue we face is one that every western Country faces. The indigenous population refuse to work for slave wages. By introducing immigrants who have no choice but to work for slave wages we can get the work done and generate tax which will subsidise the indigenous population

Mosman2020 · 22/02/2026 18:11

No

persephonia · 22/02/2026 18:11

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 18:06

I thought we had rising unemployment. They can take on these jobs

Or you could come out of retirement and do the jobs. The older generation could really show those lazy gen Zers how it's done?

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 18:08

1dayatatime · 22/02/2026 17:46

Your comment was: "Do you care about Farage's Russian links?"

This would suggest that you believe that "Farage has Russian links".

Can you explain what you believe those "Russian links" are aside from appearing on RT or his comment on Putin.

If you cannot explain what those "Russian links" are then I take it that you concede that there aren't any.

This is not a deflection but a simple facts and the demolition of your conspiracy theory that Farage had "Russian links".

There s no conspiracy theory, is there?

Here is one link

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/02/03/in-putins-orbit-the-crypto-politics-of-jeffrey-epstein-and-peter-thiel/

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 18:06

SleeplessInWherever · 22/02/2026 17:53

Right. And what I’ve said, is that with an asylum system that functioned, those refused asylum would leave. Everyone’s happy, right?

We’re talking about asylum, not immigration. Migrants and asylum seekers aren’t the same thing.

The “British public” can be as fed up as they like with immigration. You said yourself you work with a largely migrant workforce - unless you’ve got people on standby for the jobs they’re filling, we need migration to function.

I thought we had rising unemployment. They can take on these jobs

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