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Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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Decisiondecisions · 18/02/2026 14:49

NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

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Clavinova · 22/02/2026 21:14

persephonia · 22/02/2026 19:03

No legal relevance then. My mistake I didn't realise the term had been adopted by some companies. Did you read the policies? My assumption is though they might talk about encouraging applications/removing barriers/making the workplaces proactively safe spaces/corporate speak they won't mention hiring quotas etc. Because in the US environment you can use affirmative action to make sure X percent of new hires are from a minority. In the UK they can't. You can have a "target" but you are very limited in what you can do to meet that target. I haven't read the policies I'm to lazij. I'm just guessing they wont be breaking employment law.

Did you read the policies?

Barely.

corporate speak they won't mention hiring quotas etc

Some had hiring targets although apparently not met, e.g.

Deloitte [UK] is committed to achieving 12% ethnic minority and 3% Black partners by 2025, plus targets across other grades to create the future pipeline of talent.

a target of 40% female partners (or senior leaders) by 2030

EY UK Target [not met] 40% female partners by July 2025, alongside a target of 20% from ethnic minority backgrounds (with 15% being Black).

LilyBunch25 · 22/02/2026 21:09

Drdogooder · 22/02/2026 21:05

Makes no difference. I would never vote for them. Their opinion about disabled children are vile and dangerous.

Absolutely 100% agree. Disgusting.

LilyBunch25 · 22/02/2026 21:08

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:59

That is not the case but it would incentivise work and make benefits less appealing in the financial sense. Although some people might actually like helping their local community for a short spell.

Look. I have been a welfare benefits specialist for over a decade. I spend most of my working hours fighting (often in tribunals after a harrowing year wait for a court slot) for people who, believe it or not, do not love the hand that life has dealt them. And before you jump up and give me some half arsed babble about "oh but the truly needy and ill shall be helped!"- rubbish. Reform would like nothing more than to drop every disabled, long term sick person, single parent left floundering after DV or bereavement, off the nearest coastal location and forget all about them. Reform have fostered and engineered such hatred for anyone vulnerable it makes me physically sick. The issues in our welfare system - where there are definitely issues- are not fixable by fostering their kind of one size fits all despisement of anyone who doesn't fit their flag waving, ignorant inciteful agenda. And your ridiculous notions about another tier to the system that already is fraught with understaffing, woefully inadequate admin systems and downright incompetence is a joke.

1dayatatime · 22/02/2026 21:08

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 19:24

https://youtube.com/shorts/WixMzQa5Lx8?si=m8jwkC7c7HeBzwiv

It's ok, you stick to 'nothing tio see here', 'conspiracy theory', 'desperate'

If Reform is your kind of party, vote for them. I won't.

So the video doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know and that Nathan Gill was correctly convicted.

But none of it gives any evidence or truth to your statement of "Farage's Russian links " because there isn't any.

For what it's worth I would never vote for Reform based on facts rather than misinformation such as an un evidenced claim of Russian links".

Facts like Reform UK's proposed economic, tax, and public service reforms being massively unfunded, with estimates of up to a £93bn shortfall in their 2024 manifesto.

l will also continue to shoot down misinformation and conspiracy theories.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 21:07

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 20:54

The Reform UK leader said he had flown to the Maldives to join a delegation bringing aid

Hilarious.
Reminds me of Greta Thunberg's stunt - he probably got the idea from her.

Except Thunberg was threatened and arrested (and quite brutally treated.) Which proved the point she was trying to make (whether you agree with it or not). Farage had nothing much really happen except being politely told he can't enter and did a lot of breathless over-dramatic tweeting on a beach in The Maldives and then flew home. Which makes him look like a self agrandising fool. It's like Alan Partridge does Ghandi.

Drdogooder · 22/02/2026 21:05

Makes no difference. I would never vote for them. Their opinion about disabled children are vile and dangerous.

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 21:02

persephonia · 22/02/2026 20:59

Is this all benefits or is it only for jobseekers?
What if someone is a full time carer for a parent or partner or child?
What if someone is a paraplegic?
What if someone has severe learning disabilities?

(I am all for disabled people being helped into work. The problem is Reform is also opposed to independence payments that make it possible, they are opposed to equality legislation requiring employers make reasonable adjustments and can't discriminate, and they also oppose WFH. So what do those disabled people do?)

And are there any exceptions to this? Eg if someone was severely wounded serving this country and has been unable to work since do they also get their benefits cut because their legs haven't grown back and their PTSD hasn't cured itself.

Does this reduction in benefits also apply to pensioners?

And is the mandatory volunteering on top of the current mandatory 35 hours a week claimants need to spend job searching or do you reduce that time?

I was talking about refiguring universal credit but I'll get back to you with the finer detail when I am in Government!

Mlddleoftheroad · 22/02/2026 20:59

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:38

25% reduction for those who haven't worked. Full amount when you have worked for 10 years.

Once you have claimed for 6 months you need to contribute to your local community on a part time basis unless there is a medical reason (certificate) or other extenuating circumstance).
This isn't just good for society but it benefits the individual. Keeps them active thus improving their chance of finding employment. Gives them a purpose and a time to connect with others. ( I would hope this would be short term whilst they find their feet.

Is that acceptable? Would you make any changes to the current system?

Fabulous.

So a person with a disability from birth who would never be able to work, would be given 25% less than the amount deemed minimum to survive on.

How would this vulnerable person feed themselves or house themselves? How do you propose that this vulnerable person contributes to society, when they can barely understand enough to dress themselves in the morning?
Who would be supervising them while they are contributing to society? To ensure that they contribute sufficiently to earn their pittance, and to ensure no harm comes to them.

Or, would you prefer them to be institutionalised,

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:59

LilyBunch25 · 22/02/2026 20:53

Exactly 🙄 Hey, let's bring back the treadmill and the workhouse while we're at it. Oakum picking anyone....?

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That is not the case but it would incentivise work and make benefits less appealing in the financial sense. Although some people might actually like helping their local community for a short spell.

persephonia · 22/02/2026 20:59

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:47

That is the idea. To prepare them for work. As I said this should be a temporary measure.

Also stops them from being isolated.

Is this all benefits or is it only for jobseekers?
What if someone is a full time carer for a parent or partner or child?
What if someone is a paraplegic?
What if someone has severe learning disabilities?

(I am all for disabled people being helped into work. The problem is Reform is also opposed to independence payments that make it possible, they are opposed to equality legislation requiring employers make reasonable adjustments and can't discriminate, and they also oppose WFH. So what do those disabled people do?)

And are there any exceptions to this? Eg if someone was severely wounded serving this country and has been unable to work since do they also get their benefits cut because their legs haven't grown back and their PTSD hasn't cured itself.

Does this reduction in benefits also apply to pensioners?

And is the mandatory volunteering on top of the current mandatory 35 hours a week claimants need to spend job searching or do you reduce that time?

Anonymouseposter · 22/02/2026 20:58

No. I would not vote for reform under any circumstances. The may come up with one policy that I could agree with but their general attitude is repugnant to me.

Goodiebagh · 22/02/2026 20:56

Not a chance

pointythings · 22/02/2026 20:54

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:51

Excuses. It should be given a go.

It has been. It was a failure and was stopped. As you would know if you did a little reading.

Clavinova · 22/02/2026 20:54

The Reform UK leader said he had flown to the Maldives to join a delegation bringing aid

Hilarious.
Reminds me of Greta Thunberg's stunt - he probably got the idea from her.

LilyBunch25 · 22/02/2026 20:53

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 20:52

So employers can use people on benefits and instead of paying wages?

Exactly 🙄 Hey, let's bring back the treadmill and the workhouse while we're at it. Oakum picking anyone....?

pointythings · 22/02/2026 20:53

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:38

25% reduction for those who haven't worked. Full amount when you have worked for 10 years.

Once you have claimed for 6 months you need to contribute to your local community on a part time basis unless there is a medical reason (certificate) or other extenuating circumstance).
This isn't just good for society but it benefits the individual. Keeps them active thus improving their chance of finding employment. Gives them a purpose and a time to connect with others. ( I would hope this would be short term whilst they find their feet.

Is that acceptable? Would you make any changes to the current system?

So your solution is cutting benefits and workfare - unless you're going to pay the community work at NMW rates, but I bet that isn't what you're suggesting. That's exploitation. If the work is genuine and needs doing, it should be paid at legal rates.

Again - why do we need to incentivise rich people by giving them more money, but we need to incentivise poor people by taking money away?

Also the admin needed to support this is going to wipe out any savings to the exchequer.

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 20:52

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:47

That is the idea. To prepare them for work. As I said this should be a temporary measure.

Also stops them from being isolated.

So employers can use people on benefits and instead of paying wages?

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:51

Excuses. It should be given a go.

ForWittyTealOP · 22/02/2026 20:48

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:38

25% reduction for those who haven't worked. Full amount when you have worked for 10 years.

Once you have claimed for 6 months you need to contribute to your local community on a part time basis unless there is a medical reason (certificate) or other extenuating circumstance).
This isn't just good for society but it benefits the individual. Keeps them active thus improving their chance of finding employment. Gives them a purpose and a time to connect with others. ( I would hope this would be short term whilst they find their feet.

Is that acceptable? Would you make any changes to the current system?

What a palaver. Imagine the admin costs!

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:47

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 20:45

Work for benefits?

Why not pay a proper wage instead?

That is the idea. To prepare them for work. As I said this should be a temporary measure.

Also stops them from being isolated.

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 20:45

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:42

Paid in benefits.

Work for benefits?

Why not pay a proper wage instead?

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:42

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 20:41

Contribute to your local community

Vo;unteer or paid?

Paid in benefits.

TopPocketFind · 22/02/2026 20:41

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:38

25% reduction for those who haven't worked. Full amount when you have worked for 10 years.

Once you have claimed for 6 months you need to contribute to your local community on a part time basis unless there is a medical reason (certificate) or other extenuating circumstance).
This isn't just good for society but it benefits the individual. Keeps them active thus improving their chance of finding employment. Gives them a purpose and a time to connect with others. ( I would hope this would be short term whilst they find their feet.

Is that acceptable? Would you make any changes to the current system?

Contribute to your local community

Vo;unteer or paid?

Selenassunsetsangria · 22/02/2026 20:38

25% reduction for those who haven't worked. Full amount when you have worked for 10 years.

Once you have claimed for 6 months you need to contribute to your local community on a part time basis unless there is a medical reason (certificate) or other extenuating circumstance).
This isn't just good for society but it benefits the individual. Keeps them active thus improving their chance of finding employment. Gives them a purpose and a time to connect with others. ( I would hope this would be short term whilst they find their feet.

Is that acceptable? Would you make any changes to the current system?

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