Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

Well there is always the option of North Korea and its socialist utopia?

Fuck no.

Re: 2 child benefit cap. Why are so many opposed to lifting it? Is it the assumption that people are producing endless children just to get more benefits? What about people who find themselves on benefits through no fault of their own (ie redundancy, fleeing dv, illness, other million variables) and can’t afford to feed the 3 or 4 kids they could afford when they had them, are we supposed to just leave those children in poverty? Genuine question.

Not wasps specifically, but one of Labours initial net zero policies was to use the tax system to push people towards incorporating insects into their diets . So you jest, but you might very well end up doing that in the unlikely event that Labour get a 2nd term.

I agree with this so, so much.

People won’t admit to agreeing with him or voting for him for the same reasons that nobody will admit to voting for Brexit. They don’t want to hear a barrage on insults about how stupid some people think they are. And that’s how he’ll get in; because rather than have a sensible conversation about his plans for the NHS etc, where they’d stand a reasonable chance of changing someone’s mind, they’ll just resort to insults. It happened with Brexit and some of you were left looking around you like you couldn’t understand how it had happened, because everyone you knew had said they would be voting Remain. It’s happening again.

I’d rather eat wasps.

Why do people say things like this? Do they think implying others have no conscience and are stupid will make them consider the error of their ways?
It's lazy, self-serving and shows a certain lack of ability to learn from the mistakes of Brexit.
Anyway, i digress from the thread's competitive Farage hate. Oooh, who can call him the rudest name??

Hell, no. I’ll never vote for them.

Do you like tens of thousands of white girls being raped and no (mainly Labour) council will do a thing about it because of ‘racist’??
Don’t forget to put that on your list.

Christ no. Although, to be clear, this doesn’t impact me in the slightest, so it has made no actual difference to my opinion.

I do think that people would be very unwise to take threads like these as any indication that he’s not a threat though. I don’t think your average MNetter is his target group and it’s going to come a a horrible shock to some of you when he does get in. And unless Labour appoints a popular leader, it’s pretty likely that he will if he wants to.

Or younger people with less than three children shouldering the tax burden to pay for it, to the detriment of their own children.

No. Never would have done and never will.

Whilst you may have asked this question in good faith OP, you are unlikely to actually get an answer or any helpful debate. What you are likely to get are pages and pages of people confirming that they would never, ever EVER vote Reform along with lots of name calling of anyone that dare suggest that they might. Unfortunately this means that you probably won't find out whether reinstating the two child cap would encourage voters their way or not.

My view is that reinstating the cap will probably be seen as a good thing amongst more right-leaning voters - particularly the demographic that are more likely to vote Reform (people who are older and therefore unaffected by the change)

Their plan is to move to a German social insurance model, not scrap health care. The German model has better outcomes, the care is superior and the ROI is massively better. It’s disappointing when people don’t do basic research before dismissing ideas.

eh???

Exactly my position too.

every word of this, 100%.

But - with far right Tory joining Reform I'm holding on hope that Kemi can pull it and move Tory party to the Centre/Centre Right as it was at its best.

I hate Labour deeply, but if it's the only safe option to keep Reform out then I'll vote for them.

And yes, I hope the cap will be reinstated at some stage. But not by Reform

Anyone using the phrase two tier Kier is basically just parroting propaganda. Well done you

I think they are hoping people won’t read the policies just listen to the soundbites designed to play into the hands of their target voters.

No.
I like the Equality Act. I like having Human Rights. I like being seen as more than an incubator for a baby. I like living in a county that (generally) doesn't discriminate based on race, religion, gender or disability. I like having workers rights. I like social mobility so that children born in to poverty have a chance of a better future. I like a free health care system that (mostly) prevents avoidable deaths regardless of their income or their parents income.
The thought of what this country would be like under Reform absolutely terrifies me.

I wonder if this voting on one issue thing, like Brexit but not identical- will be the way politics goes..
When people say they didn’t know about the Dublin Convention when considering Brexit - I think despite the public debates that discussed that (the ability to return “migrants” to a third country) did they hear “Dublin” and think it was about flights for holidays.
Because putting the cap back on 2 children benefits (Universal Credit) sounds a bit like people think that it’s stopping massive benefit amounts going to people with, let’s say, 3 children. They sometimes conflate it with Child Benefit.

And I wonder what anyone would do if they were suddenly diagnosed with cancer and free NHS care is gone - but they are millionaires or even the highest earners.. and you know those “pension pots” they’ve saved into - sensibly and planning ahead - can’t afford. Or a child is born into their family with a serious heart condition or indeed cancer.. never mind disability (that everyone thinks is a million miles away from them until it isn’t).

Imagine coming out of hospital after a stroke - no OT support, no free medication or aids and adaptations to one’s house provided by councils…

But yep, those families that didn’t save for more than 2 children- that’ll show them. When you can’t call an ambulance because you don’t have the requisite insurance but you’ve got an open fracture… Or you do and get charged £10,000 after the event .. but you can’t go back to work for 6 months and there aren’t any benefits you can claim and you can’t pay your employees…

No. They are not a serious party and are incredibly dangerous imo.

How Britain voted in the 2024 general election | YouGov https://share.google/tP4IeIXgo4EgTxhNO

You have to scroll down quite a bit for the level of education of voters for all the parties.

No.

Nothing would ever convince me to vote Reform.

This is a great example of such jumping on the bandwagon thickness.