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Are you now more likely to vote for REFORM (the party)

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Decisiondecisions · 18/02/2026 14:49

NC for this and apologies if Q already asked. My quick search yielded no result.

Reform plan to undo the reversal of 2 child cap benefit. Are you now likely (or more likely) to vote for them? There have been endless threads about the welfare bill.

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Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:36

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 13:34

What is your line of work?

Completely irrelevant I never claimed to be “in the field” just mentioned my experience bidding for years and getting no where

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 13:35

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:34

Yes I’m ignorant because I don’t agree with you on immigration whatever. You have no idea where I live so please don’t tell me there are places that are hard to rent because no one wants them, when I was on the list for years and bidded on absolutely everything including places I thought less people would want because I thought that would help my chances. It didnt

Do you think ignorant is synonymous with stupid?

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 13:34

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:22

I have relatives your age that like to talk about how quick it was to get a council home back then and also how cheap rent in general was and buying homes. I’m sorry if the granny comment has upset you just trying to put into perspective how times have changed.
There aren’t many places in England that no one would want to live in if giving the chance these days.
I believe you just saying it’s not like that in most places anymore

What is your line of work?

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:34

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 13:29

I can't carry on arguing with this, but yes you are - in the true sense - ignorant.

Yes I’m ignorant because I don’t agree with you on immigration whatever. You have no idea where I live so please don’t tell me there are places that are hard to rent because no one wants them, when I was on the list for years and bidded on absolutely everything including places I thought less people would want because I thought that would help my chances. It didnt

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 13:32

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:07

I don’t care how old you are I was just making the point that the real estate sorry I mean property market and council waiting lists have changed massively in thirty years

Actually they've not. You'd have to go back further than that to see significant change. Thirty years ago was only the mid 90s and some of us were alive and working in the field then.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 13:29

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:09

I was on the council waiting lists for years and bid on everything possible, I have friends still on it bidding on everything unsuccessfully. I then privately rented the cheapest place possible around here, still very expensive.

I am 100% aware

I can't carry on arguing with this, but yes you are - in the true sense - ignorant.

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:22

scottishgirl69 · 21/02/2026 13:18

You made the comment that I was old enough to be your granny - and you only knew my age because I told you you were wrong when you were accusing me of being someone else on here

I didn't waltz into my last flat as I said earlier. I got one in an area that no one wanted to live in or I would still be waiting - not sure if you picked that part up - the part that you don't seem to believe

I also don't live in a bubble. I can read. You seem to be suggesting that it was oh so easy to get a council flat when I got one. It wasn't. I would have been waiting ten years plus if I hadn't taken that flat

I have relatives your age that like to talk about how quick it was to get a council home back then and also how cheap rent in general was and buying homes. I’m sorry if the granny comment has upset you just trying to put into perspective how times have changed.
There aren’t many places in England that no one would want to live in if giving the chance these days.
I believe you just saying it’s not like that in most places anymore

scottishgirl69 · 21/02/2026 13:18

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:07

I don’t care how old you are I was just making the point that the real estate sorry I mean property market and council waiting lists have changed massively in thirty years

You made the comment that I was old enough to be your granny - and you only knew my age because I told you you were wrong when you were accusing me of being someone else on here

I didn't waltz into my last flat as I said earlier. I got one in an area that no one wanted to live in or I would still be waiting - not sure if you picked that part up - the part that you don't seem to believe

I also don't live in a bubble. I can read. You seem to be suggesting that it was oh so easy to get a council flat when I got one. It wasn't. I would have been waiting ten years plus if I hadn't taken that flat

TopPocketFind · 21/02/2026 13:14

1dayatatime · 21/02/2026 13:00

Whether immigration is economically positive or negative depends on a large number of factors.

This includes their age, education, earnings, their use of public services, and how long they stay in the UK.

Many migrants have a positive impact on public finances when they are educated, high earning, young and can't claim benefits, but a negative impact if they are uneducated, low paid, bring dependents and later as they age, use the NHS more, and get access to benefits.

If you genuinely believe that immigration is such a net economic positive then presumably you would be in favour of full open borders?

Full open borders

You mean like EU Freedom of Movement?

Or somehting different?

Alittlefrustrated · 21/02/2026 13:12

No, and the more ex Conservatives they welcome, the more resounding that no becomes.

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:09

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 13:07

You're just not aware.

I was on the council waiting lists for years and bid on everything possible, I have friends still on it bidding on everything unsuccessfully. I then privately rented the cheapest place possible around here, still very expensive.

I am 100% aware

persephonia · 21/02/2026 13:09

scottishgirl69 · 21/02/2026 02:21

Yeah let's pick on the unemployed and disabled, immigrants too - folk at the bottom of the pile - people like me when folk like Farage sups his pint and pretends to be man of the people when he's an out of touch multi millionaire who doesn't even live in the UK

Also, according to Reform and their fellow travellers protections for disabled people in the workplace have gone to far. So if you have a job and are disabled it should be legal for your employer to sack you or to not put any provisions (ramps etc) in place. Also, if you can't get into work (no ramps) you shouldn't be WFH either because that's bad. And any attempts made to help disabled people find work is "equity gone mad" and unfair on groups not in the "underprivileged hierarchy". But... disabled people should be working and not be on benefits. 🙄

Have you ever thought about just not being disabled?

NemesisInferior · 21/02/2026 13:09

If reform were to actually start behaving like actual responsible politicians, that would help.

Farage continues his policy from his MEP days of doing absolutely fuck all for his constitency and barely bothering his arse to turn up to westminster, let alone vote on anything. I was slightly dismayed to discover I have a reform counciller now - guess which one never turns up to council meetings or bothers his arse to answer letters?

The whole lot of them are a bunch of lazy chancers who do not give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 13:07

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:05

I can assure you where I am there is not

You're just not aware.

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:07

scottishgirl69 · 21/02/2026 13:04

I should actually be thankful that I have reached the grand old age of 57 before I have been called old enough to be someone's granny online just because we disagree on something - I actually don't have kids (which makes it more insulting - some women struggle to conceive and I think people should be mindful of that when they say stuff like that).

I don't relate to other women on whether they have children or whether they are old enough to be someone's mum - particularly when the suggestion was being made that I'm old and out of touch

It's odd - because my brother who has just turned 47 has never had it suggested that he's a grandpa or old enough to be someone's grandpa. He's a PT and very fit and until last year was playing football with some 20 somethings - they didn't run around calling him "pops"

I have friends older than me and younger than me - I have never met anyone that's cared what age I am -, till now

I don’t care how old you are I was just making the point that the real estate sorry I mean property market and council waiting lists have changed massively in thirty years

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 13:05

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 12:56

There's hard to let everywhere and it's naive to think otherwise.

I can assure you where I am there is not

scottishgirl69 · 21/02/2026 13:04

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 12:29

I don't know why people imagine ageism to be any less damaging than other forms of prejudice. It always seems to affect women disproportionately too - the idea of being a grandmother or the age of a grandmother is almost seen as shameful. She'll be calling you an old dear next!

I should actually be thankful that I have reached the grand old age of 57 before I have been called old enough to be someone's granny online just because we disagree on something - I actually don't have kids (which makes it more insulting - some women struggle to conceive and I think people should be mindful of that when they say stuff like that).

I don't relate to other women on whether they have children or whether they are old enough to be someone's mum - particularly when the suggestion was being made that I'm old and out of touch

It's odd - because my brother who has just turned 47 has never had it suggested that he's a grandpa or old enough to be someone's grandpa. He's a PT and very fit and until last year was playing football with some 20 somethings - they didn't run around calling him "pops"

I have friends older than me and younger than me - I have never met anyone that's cared what age I am -, till now

LoveHearts69 · 21/02/2026 13:03

1dayatatime · 21/02/2026 12:50

That's the difference between us - I would rather embrace or emphasise what people from different backgrounds have in common which in turn creates unity rather than embrace or emphasise the differences which in turn creates division.

I am perfectly happy for people to celebrate Hanukkah or Diwali or Eid but I don't have to also celebrate it because I'm not Jewish, Hindu or Muslim.

I am perfectly happy for people to celebrate Thanksgiving or Bastille day but I don't feel the need to equally celebrate it for the sake of diversity because I'm not American or French.

By emphasising what are the differences rather than what we have in common you create the Balkanisation of a country, division and yes racism.

Genuine question, do you think that the concept that people should be judged on the content of their character rather than the colour of their skin is in itself someway racist?

www.nakedpolitics.co.uk/why-claiming-to-be-colour-blind-doesnt-make-you-anti-racist/#:~:text=This%20allows%20racism%20to%20continue,process%20but%20continues%20into%20employment.

1dayatatime · 21/02/2026 13:00

BIossomtoes · 21/02/2026 12:20

How come immigration is economically positive then?

Whether immigration is economically positive or negative depends on a large number of factors.

This includes their age, education, earnings, their use of public services, and how long they stay in the UK.

Many migrants have a positive impact on public finances when they are educated, high earning, young and can't claim benefits, but a negative impact if they are uneducated, low paid, bring dependents and later as they age, use the NHS more, and get access to benefits.

If you genuinely believe that immigration is such a net economic positive then presumably you would be in favour of full open borders?

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 12:57

scottishgirl69 · 21/02/2026 12:54

I have tried to say more than once on this thread that there are areas in my home town that were half full because people refused to live there - and that is fact. And then when some of them were offered to refugees all hell broke loose.

Exactly, I don't think it's you or me who is out of touch here!

runrabbitrunrabbitrun · 21/02/2026 12:56

Never, hell would have to freeze over first.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 12:56

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 12:53

No hard to let in my area, people will take anything. There’s a neighbouring area that apparently has a shorter list I couldn’t go on because I had no connection to the area despite living ten miles away. I guess this is also why people get angry with mass migration they get told they have no connection to an area they’ve lived ten miles from their entire life but watch people from thousands of miles away come and get offered.

Anyway this is no longer personally relevant to me because I brought a place recently before someone starts with the ad hominems

There's hard to let everywhere and it's naive to think otherwise.

Pedallleur · 21/02/2026 12:56

Just the fact that Cruella wants to repeal the Equalities Act should mean that 50% of the population should be against Reform

scottishgirl69 · 21/02/2026 12:54

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 12:48

Like people who don't wait years. It's area and situation dependent.
Have you heard of hard to let properties or do they not exist in your experience?

I have tried to say more than once on this thread that there are areas in my home town that were half full because people refused to live there - and that is fact. And then when some of them were offered to refugees all hell broke loose.

Moonshadowmoon · 21/02/2026 12:53

ForWittyTealOP · 21/02/2026 12:48

Like people who don't wait years. It's area and situation dependent.
Have you heard of hard to let properties or do they not exist in your experience?

No hard to let in my area, people will take anything. There’s a neighbouring area that apparently has a shorter list I couldn’t go on because I had no connection to the area despite living ten miles away. I guess this is also why people get angry with mass migration they get told they have no connection to an area they’ve lived ten miles from their entire life but watch people from thousands of miles away come and get offered.

Anyway this is no longer personally relevant to me because I brought a place recently before someone starts with the ad hominems