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“Everybody thought the EU was about people coming into the country … no-one told of us the benefits”.

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MrsMurphyIWish · 18/02/2026 07:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2136jnjx1o

And the response to this very now deprived community is to vote Reform.

“Brexit has removed a key source of funding, which the area desperately needs. County Durham received £154m of EU funding between 2014 and 2020, about £22m a year. Since the UK left the European Union, it receives about half that amount, £12m annually, under the UK Shared Prosperity Fund.”

The story is sad (and typical of deprived areas - I know, I live in one). Towns feeling forgotten and never recovering from closed industry but why can they not see history will repeat itself?

A row of red-brick houses with almost every window and door boarded up

Inside Horden, the County Durham town failed by politics

In Horden, County Durham, Westminster slogans have long been left unmet as the population has plummeted.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2136jnjx1o

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ABeerInTheSunshineMakesMeHappy · 18/02/2026 16:55

I sympathise with the people in that article and I do think that David Cameron & co who were in charge of the government at the time, and supposedly in favour of remain (I emphasise supposedly) should have done a lot more to educate people of the negatives of Brexit in terms of loss of funding in poorer
areas. There are quite a few places where this happened.

And yes of course there are other factors at play here, I don’t think anything in that article is suggesting that there aren’t. OP has picked that one factor out of the article.

Needlenardlenoo · 18/02/2026 16:51

In the Museum of Brands and Advertising (a quirky little place in West London) they have a copy of the 1975 referendum information leaflets: one each for "Why you should vote Yes" and "Why you should vote No".

Imdunfer · 18/02/2026 16:47

Womaninhouse17 · 18/02/2026 15:23

Yes. If you travelled elsewhere in Europe, you saw signs telling you how various things had been funded by the EU. Here in the UK, I didn't see anything like that.

They were everywhere.

It is a condition of taking EU funds that the notices are used.

The tiny cafe opened by friends of ours on a sheep farm had one. Farm gates had them on. Civic buildings had them on.

Everywhere you turned they were there. That's probably why nobody noticed them.

Boomer55 · 18/02/2026 16:44

CaptainMyCaptain · 18/02/2026 16:42

52% of the people who bothered to vote. Slightly over half and they were influenced by misleading claims. It's hardly a resounding victory. Also things can change there is no end of.

Both sides lied. Just a matter of choice. I voted remain, but the vote was whst it is was. Percentage wins/losses are irrelevant.and, yes, it is fine, so that vote is done. I don’t think any party would think they would get away with trying to get back in.

CaptainMyCaptain · 18/02/2026 16:42

Boomer55 · 18/02/2026 16:35

Both sides had their say, laying out all the so called benefits/shortcomings. People voted to leave. 🤷‍♀️. End of.

52% of the people who bothered to vote. Slightly over half and they were influenced by misleading claims. It's hardly a resounding victory. Also things can change there is no end of.

Boomer55 · 18/02/2026 16:35

Both sides had their say, laying out all the so called benefits/shortcomings. People voted to leave. 🤷‍♀️. End of.

Needlenardlenoo · 18/02/2026 16:27

Thechaseison71 · 18/02/2026 15:23

Germany. also has lower GDP

They didn't leave the EU

The EU would be buggered if they did, right?!

CaptainMyCaptain · 18/02/2026 16:26

Womaninhouse17 · 18/02/2026 15:23

Yes. If you travelled elsewhere in Europe, you saw signs telling you how various things had been funded by the EU. Here in the UK, I didn't see anything like that.

There were and still are plenty of signs round here.

Brefugee · 18/02/2026 15:43

there is a worldwide recession.

Thechaseison71 · 18/02/2026 15:23

JassyRadlett · 18/02/2026 15:06

It's almost as if lower GDP means there is less government revenue.

Germany. also has lower GDP

They didn't leave the EU

Womaninhouse17 · 18/02/2026 15:23

Zennia · 18/02/2026 08:55

I'm not surprised if some people genuinely did not know that their area benefited from EU funding. The media at the time amplified the message that the EU was to blame for uncontrolled migration and the poor state of public services. I don't recall EU funding for deprived towns really being discussed at all.

Yes. If you travelled elsewhere in Europe, you saw signs telling you how various things had been funded by the EU. Here in the UK, I didn't see anything like that.

JassyRadlett · 18/02/2026 15:06

Thechaseison71 · 18/02/2026 11:35

The money was there though as UK no longer paying it to the EU. Blame the UK government for not propping up these places

It's almost as if lower GDP means there is less government revenue.

Needlenardlenoo · 18/02/2026 15:05

SerendipityJane · 18/02/2026 08:45

The question - no calculators - is would you rather have 100% of something, or 99.5% of something that is 10% bigger.

(No everyone I have worked with since 2016 has got that).

What a great question!

The textbooks that deal with economic integration (the general topic covering trade blocs) cover trade diversion (e.g. UK buying French meat rather than NZ following EEC entry) and trade creation (new trading relationships as a result of joining a free trade area e.g. UK-Polish trade) but the dynamic effects are thought to be much larger - free movement, much larger markets to sell to, the bloc attracting more investment, etc.

LakieLady · 18/02/2026 13:22

Katiesaidthat · 18/02/2026 09:23

My aunt lives in the South East, I don´t remember seeing signs there. I stayed at Wallsend near Newcastle during my Erasmus year and the place was chock a block with signs saying this [insert project] is funded by the European regional development fund. My landlady was telling us that there is no way the council could pay for these projects alone. Also, I think it was a sports centre, was funded by Sting, who´s from Wallsend. I wonder how they are doing now.

I live in the SE, and there were definitely signs!

The EU part-funded a flyover to avoid the level crossing on a major trunk road very close to where I live, and the EU symbol was clear on the signs apologising for the delays. Needless to say, some people blamed the EU for the delays caused while the flyover was being built...

I worked for the county council for several years, and they had a staff member whose job was mainly getting money out of the EU for stuff. The EU part-funded road schemes, school and library improvements, arts projects, environmental projects - loads of stuff, really. The EU was always acknowledged as a partner on signs, publicity material etc, along with all the other organisations they'd squeezed a bit of money out of.

Winter2020 · 18/02/2026 13:16

Alexandra2001 · 18/02/2026 12:30

We actively went after these 1m people, we advertised for them, sent delegations to encourage them to come here.

Labour have now limited this to 220k pa (net) and bought in further English standards.

Why do you think migrants who eventually get EU citizenship (after many years) would then all come here?
They would have built their lives in Germany France etc and Eastern Europe is now quite prosperous.

If we were now in the EU, we would have far better co-op on x channel migrants, even able to send them back.... instead, it seems like France just sign posts them to the UK

"Send them back" until they are granted EU citizenship and come over with a ticket under free movement. Why even bother?

Winter2020 · 18/02/2026 13:12

Alexandra2001 · 18/02/2026 12:30

We actively went after these 1m people, we advertised for them, sent delegations to encourage them to come here.

Labour have now limited this to 220k pa (net) and bought in further English standards.

Why do you think migrants who eventually get EU citizenship (after many years) would then all come here?
They would have built their lives in Germany France etc and Eastern Europe is now quite prosperous.

If we were now in the EU, we would have far better co-op on x channel migrants, even able to send them back.... instead, it seems like France just sign posts them to the UK

A lot of "we" didn't. A lot of "we" voted to control our borders. You might have supported this but a lot of the population did not as evidenced by the Brexit vote and the rise of Reform - and the fact that any political party not talking about reducing immigration now is making themselves unelectable.

I didn't say migrants given EU citizenship would "all" come here. I said if they wanted to then (without Brexit) they would be free to come here under free movement. Which they would.

hairbearbunches · 18/02/2026 12:33

The whole damn thing has been bullshit from start to finish, and when I say start I mean the EEC morphing into the EU. Outside of London, this country has huge deprivation and yet we were sending billions over as net contributors. It boils my piss immensely that we keep getting stories about Poland now booming and overtaking the UK in terms of GDP. Well, of course it bloody well will given the amount of money that's been thrown at it. So would this country have with the same amount of money being spent.

Where this country is at right now is down to successive Governments since Thatcher only caring about London, not having a modern industrial policy and not giving a shit about how best to revitalise post industrial areas where industry has now closed. The EU provided a fig leaf for them to hide behind. We are not down the shitter because of Brexit. Brexit exposed the state of the country for a lot more people to see. It's not pretty, is it?

Alexandra2001 · 18/02/2026 12:30

Winter2020 · 18/02/2026 12:13

Without looking anything up around 1 million people moved here (net) in 2023. I believe around 40k arrived on small boats and a few more than that also claimed asylum after arriving via other routes such as student visas.

We actively went after these 1m people, we advertised for them, sent delegations to encourage them to come here.

Labour have now limited this to 220k pa (net) and bought in further English standards.

Why do you think migrants who eventually get EU citizenship (after many years) would then all come here?
They would have built their lives in Germany France etc and Eastern Europe is now quite prosperous.

If we were now in the EU, we would have far better co-op on x channel migrants, even able to send them back.... instead, it seems like France just sign posts them to the UK

Winter2020 · 18/02/2026 12:13

SerendipityJane · 18/02/2026 12:06

We are at least in a position now where we can control our borders (to a great extent aside from the small amount of people that arrive illegally on boats etc)

What do you think the number of people on boats coming to the UK is versus the number of people who do not. I am sure you won't be offended it I ask for cites ?

Without looking anything up around 1 million people moved here (net) in 2023. I believe around 40k arrived on small boats and a few more than that also claimed asylum after arriving via other routes such as student visas.

SerendipityJane · 18/02/2026 12:06

We are at least in a position now where we can control our borders (to a great extent aside from the small amount of people that arrive illegally on boats etc)

What do you think the number of people on boats coming to the UK is versus the number of people who do not. I am sure you won't be offended it I ask for cites ?

Winter2020 · 18/02/2026 12:04

user64788643122 · 18/02/2026 11:39

I voted yabu because people did say about the benefits, and Brexiteers described it as “project fear”. I personally can’t understand why people fell for it, rather than listen to the economists who almost without exception predicted exactly this.

Many people that voted Brexit accepted that it would come with economic consequences. That was the trade off for the ability to control our borders. The politicians then went on to betray the British people and allow huge unprecedented amounts of immigration.

We are at least in a position now where we can control our borders (to a great extent aside from the small amount of people that arrive illegally on boats etc) and now we need to vote in a party with the appetite to do it. If we were still in the EU we still would not be able to even begin to control people coming in- EU citizens would have free movement including recent immigrants to the EU once granted EU citizenship.

Without Brexit people from around the world that believe Britain's streets are paved with gold wouldn't even need to risk life and limb coming here- they could get citizenship of any EU country and move here under free movement.

Brefugee · 18/02/2026 11:51

TempestTost · 18/02/2026 10:56

It wasn't really that simple, the advantages of going to Germany began to lessen because the employment market there became less favourable, and the population - particularly other builders - resented the foreign workers to some extent, and so they changed the tax advantages involved. And IIRC also made it harder for British workers to take those kinds of jobs, though the details on that element are hazy in my mind now.

that is what i said. There was always a flow, between the UK and the continent, and also the other way round.

Workers who could or would move to where the jobs were/are have always been around, and the EU made that so so so so much easier. See also temporary staff for harvests.

It was a huge bloody mess. But the outside interference (I believe it has now been shown that Russia was implicated?) played a massive part.

I'm also of the opinion that Brexit has cost the UK dearly, but what is making it worse is a global downturn.

Brefugee · 18/02/2026 11:47

Portakalkedi · 18/02/2026 10:18

Those despairing at the fact that a majority of voters voted fro Brexit - don't worry, Labour seem to be trying very hard to get the UK back into the EU, despite the fact that voters decided to leave. They still have a few years left to carry on with this reintegration no matter who leads them.

the UK had a fantastic deal with the EU. They got more refunds (thanks to Thatcher) than any other country.

What Labour will take you back into is EU-lite, where hopefully the UK will be back in the free trade area, and we can all start sending parcels back and forth without our friends having to pay 40 quid to get their birthday present. (yeah, we stopped all that, but not before my aged mum had sent things to us that we had to fork out for)

It is absolutely bonkers not to have better conditions when trading with people who are 21 miles away across a stretch of water.

JHound · 18/02/2026 11:44

ThatThisThatYou · 18/02/2026 07:02

Do you not think the UK governments of the past 30 years have a part to play in the decline or is it all the fault of Brexit?

Well in this specific example it was Brexit to blame for the removal of their funding.

CaptainMyCaptain · 18/02/2026 11:43

user64788643122 · 18/02/2026 11:39

I voted yabu because people did say about the benefits, and Brexiteers described it as “project fear”. I personally can’t understand why people fell for it, rather than listen to the economists who almost without exception predicted exactly this.

I voted YANBU fir the same reason. I think the OP was saying the people who thought we weren't told were wrong.