Why are the 'But Palestine...' posters not very interested in Iran

If you look at the comparative numbers of combatants vs non-combatants amongst the dead, the stats speak for themselves.

The abuse of the word 'genocide' is outrageous, frankly, It's deliberately chosen to goad Jewish people who were, only just over 80 years ago, the victims of the genocide that resulted in the term being coined. To use the word 'genocide' of vicious urban warfare in Gaza (which Hamas could have ended at any time), with c 70k dead in two years is completely disingenuous - particularly when most of those dead (given Hamas's stats for widows and orphans pensions) were combatants.

And @Frequency to talk about mass starvation when we know that Hamas was raiding food aid and then selling it on... Who exactly might be to blame?

Every single person who chooses to let Hamas off the hook and monster Israel instead bears responsibility for the rise in antisemitism in the past couple of years. The dead Jews in Manchester and on Bondi beach...They'd probably be alive if the reporting and the thinking on this topic had been more even-handed.

And this thread was meant to be about Iran - but as I said upthread, No Jews, no news....

^This.

70,000 dead and 170,000 injured, from a military with one of the world's most elite intelligence forces, is not an accident. Nor is mass starvation.

I have no issue with the Jewish people or the Israeli people; I don't even blame the Israeli people who support the actions of their government, but what the Israeli government is doing in Palestine is genocide. There is no justification for genocide.

If you look at the comparative numbers of combatants vs non-combatants amongst the dead, the stats speak for themselves.

The abuse of the word 'genocide' is outrageous, frankly, It's deliberately chosen to goad Jewish people who were, only just over 80 years ago, the victims of the genocide that resulted in the term being coined. To use the word 'genocide' of vicious urban warfare in Gaza (which Hamas could have ended at any time), with c 70k dead in two years is completely disingenuous - particularly when most of those dead (given Hamas's stats for widows and orphans pensions) were combatants.

And @Frequency to talk about mass starvation when we know that Hamas was raiding food aid and then selling it on... Who exactly might be to blame?

Every single person who chooses to let Hamas off the hook and monster Israel instead bears responsibility for the rise in antisemitism in the past couple of years. The dead Jews in Manchester and on Bondi beach...They'd probably be alive if the reporting and the thinking on this topic had been more even-handed.

And this thread was meant to be about Iran - but as I said upthread, No Jews, no news....

Israel are not trying to avoid civilian deaths though. They have sought to wreak maximum casualties at every turn. They have double tapped hospitals, murdered paramedics, issued orders for people to move to "safe zones" and murdered them on the way.

I cannot even with this fucking bullshit anymore. How anyone with eyes and a conscience can look at a fucking genocide and make excuses for it is beyond my comprehension. Over the past 2.5 years I have completely lost faith in humanity. I am truly disgusted.

Their actions are equally abhorrent. Yes, I find the mass killing of innocent civilians abhorrent, no matter who is doing the killing, who the victims are, or what the "justification" is.

Thanks for sharing.

You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine and I disagree with you.

It’s right there in the link.

I think this entire thread is a masterclass in whatabout, whatabout, whataboutery.

I think people are allowed to have a cause.

I don’t think protesting A means you are duty bound to protest B - Z.

I think people are allowed to be more inspired to protest a regime supported by our government (and extension us) than one that is not.

And, to repeat, I think this thread is a masterclass in whataboutery.

Indeed. I marched along with about a million others.

Because it’s not about human rights at all. Not even a little bit. It’s a convenient excuse to bash Jews.

Did you really not notice how angry a lot of us were about the post 9/11 attacks on the middle east? Or how people still refer to Blair as a war criminal?

And your point is?

Noun: Usually presented when rancid hypocrisy is highlighted in order to deflect from uncomfortable questions/statements.

Example:
Israel is terrible, what those damned zionists are doing to those poor women and children in response to the targeted rape and murder of its youth is awful, from the river to the sea! Free Palestine!

"Iran has just murdered 36500 people, and has been brutally murdering women for not covering their heads appropriately, as an aside, Hamas treats women equally appallingly and uses children as either pipe bombs or human shields"

"THATS JUST WHATABOUTERY I CARE ABOUT WOMEN AND CHILDREN"

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Why do posters care so little about Palestinians that you think people only care about their brutal slaughter in the tens of thousands as "Jew Hate" and no other reason?

Israel are not trying to avoid civilian deaths though. They have sought to wreak maximum casualties at every turn. They have double tapped hospitals, murdered paramedics, issued orders for people to move to "safe zones" and murdered them on the way.

I cannot even with this fucking bullshit anymore. How anyone with eyes and a conscience can look at a fucking genocide and make excuses for it is beyond my comprehension. Over the past 2.5 years I have completely lost faith in humanity. I am truly disgusted.

So, gunning down one's own umarmed civilians in the streets is no worse than trying to avoid civilian deaths while trying to root out a terrorist organisation that has completely embedded itself within that population and which has carried out a devastating attack on one's own civilians and taken many captive to abuse, mistreat and use as bargaining chips?

Non-combatant deaths are inevitable during war, and Hamas knew this when they did what they did, and failed completely to protect their own civilians, in fact, put them in the firing line by tightly interweaving thier military installations (terror tunnels, arms dumps) with civilian infrastructure.

I know you're for real because I recognise your user name, but seriously.

So, gunning down one's own umarmed civilians in the streets is no worse than trying to avoid civilian deaths while trying to root out a terrorist organisation that has completely embedded itself within that population and which has carried out a devastating attack on one's own civilians and taken many captive to abuse, mistreat and use as bargaining chips?

Non-combatant deaths are inevitable during war, and Hamas knew this when they did what they did, and failed completely to protect their own civilians, in fact, put them in the firing line by tightly interweaving thier military installations (terror tunnels, arms dumps) with civilian infrastructure.

I know you're for real because I recognise your user name, but seriously.

Ahhh the holding Israel to a higher standard!!
Of course!

Until you remember that post 9/11 the USA and UK wiped out half a million civilians in the Middle East during the "War On Terror".
You know that whole thing where Islamic terrorists struck our sovreign nations (don't forget the tube) and our military might went "fuck this" and dragged most of Al Qaeda out of their tunnels while levelling the landscapes and killing whoever got in the damned way.

I don't remember any desire to "boycott" UK or American products at the time.
No parading on the streets in keffiyeh's declaring the murder of American office workers to be freedom fighting at it's finest, no catchy chants advocating for the eradication of sovereign nations.
I do remember the conspiracy theories circulating that Israel was responsible though, because the hatred is old and entrenched, as well as hotly denied, obvz.

Back to higher standards though, because Israel. 😂

Their actions are equally abhorrent. Yes, I find the mass killing of innocent civilians abhorrent, no matter who is doing the killing, who the victims are, or what the "justification" is.