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How are Grammar schools so much better than comprehensives if they get the same funding?

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Karma1387 · 16/02/2026 15:33

Me and my partner are in a situation where we are looking to relocate in order to move to a Grammar school area. This is going to involve us both having to find new jobs and coordinate a house move at the same time.

Some of my family disagree with our decision to move for the sake of grammar school and don't see how they can be better than a normal comprehensive school.

I am hoping some people on here will have some knowledge on how grammar schools achieve so much better than comprehensives?

Also anyone with experience with grammar schools they could share? From what I have read the class sizes aren't much different to comprehensives and they get the same funding. Is it literally just a case of because they do the 11+ they tend to only take on the more academically inclined kids. Does this translate to less bad behaviour etc compared to comprehensive schools?

The move is going to be stressful with us both trying to find new jobs plus moving further away from both our families I want it to be worth it! Our local comprehensive is awful for results and we want to give the kids the best opportunities.

Personally I would rather homeschool and fully keep them out of the school system but my partner is very against this and is determined we need to move to a grammar school area so any advise to aid our discussion would be amazing!

Are we being unreasonable to relocate for the possibility of grammar school?

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Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 09:48

rainylake · 19/02/2026 09:46

I have to say that if I was hosting a party for a bunch of 6 year olds and you waited outside our house for 2 hours that would make me very uncomfortable!

You wouldn't feel uncomfortable hosting a load of 6 year olds you didn't know and didn't know their parents?

As I say I have no idea how I will approach birthday parties. I will face that bridge when I come to it.

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rainylake · 19/02/2026 09:46

I have to say that if I was hosting a party for a bunch of 6 year olds and you waited outside our house for 2 hours that would make me very uncomfortable!

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 19/02/2026 09:39

I wouldn't ban him from talking to his friends parents if he knows them from playdates or if I am there. But I wouldn't expect him to talk to a random parent on the playground.

But they will! Also, be prepared for your kids to know people you don’t! My DS has always been a talker so will chat to other parents at pick up or at after school club when I’m not there.
There have been times when an adult has acknowledged DS on the street and I’ve no idea who they are.

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 09:24

rainylake · 19/02/2026 09:20

You’ll find that when your child starts school he gets invited to play dates. There will also be birthday parties and by Year 1 these will be drop off your child and pick up at the end. Of course you can say no, but how will you explain it to him when he asks why his friends are going to playdates and parties at each other’s houses and he is not?

And are you seriously going to teach him that he isn’t allowed to speak to his friends’ parents? How about adult volunteers on school trips and activities- are they banned from interacting with your child too? How is he going to learn social skills and living in a community if he is taught that every interaction must be individually cleared by you?

Honestly I don't know how I will approach birthday parties. It may be I just wait outside for the duration if I don't know the parents. That is a bridge I will cross when I get there.

I wouldn't ban him from talking to his friends parents if he knows them from playdates or if I am there. But I wouldn't expect him to talk to a random parent on the playground.

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rainylake · 19/02/2026 09:20

You’ll find that when your child starts school he gets invited to play dates. There will also be birthday parties and by Year 1 these will be drop off your child and pick up at the end. Of course you can say no, but how will you explain it to him when he asks why his friends are going to playdates and parties at each other’s houses and he is not?

And are you seriously going to teach him that he isn’t allowed to speak to his friends’ parents? How about adult volunteers on school trips and activities- are they banned from interacting with your child too? How is he going to learn social skills and living in a community if he is taught that every interaction must be individually cleared by you?

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 09:20

Needlenardlenoo · 19/02/2026 09:18

I also don't think you're as antisocial as you think. You've been chatting extensively with people on here. You're articulate; you respond to people's points. You've taken on new information. You used to do a fairly sociable job, with some success it sounds like.

Talking to people on here discussing things is fine. Talking to people in person and making general chit chat not so much!

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Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 09:18

Needlenardlenoo · 19/02/2026 09:14

I read your other thread and I think it gives a lot of context to how you feel about interactions with others. My husband's autistic (he only realised when our DD was diagnosed) and also finds people draining, and needs a lot of time alone to recharge. He does have friendships, generally based around stuff with fairly minimal social interaction (cycling, football) or ones involving inanimate objects like cars. It's a shame you can't ride the horses right now. Hopefully that will be affordable again in future. I have a friend who regularly rode someone else's livery horse and I know her bond with the horse was really special.

However, you never know how children will turn out! My DD is super sociable, despite some social misunderstandings and difficulties from time to time. And actually so is one of my nieces despite her mum also being very limited socially. I think the main thing as children grow up is to live somewhere they can be somewhat independent as living in a rural, isolated place means either the parents have to be very actively involved with kids' social life or they are bored and lonely, especially if they're not close to a sibling.

So actually I think your house/school decision is ultimately pretty important!

Yes we do want to move somewhere less rural for the kids as it will benefit them massively.

And yes hopefully one day I can have a horse again.

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Needlenardlenoo · 19/02/2026 09:18

I also don't think you're as antisocial as you think. You've been chatting extensively with people on here. You're articulate; you respond to people's points. You've taken on new information. You used to do a fairly sociable job, with some success it sounds like.

Needlenardlenoo · 19/02/2026 09:14

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:22

I really have no interest in chatting with random strangers or making friends. My social interactions today will be pleasantries with the midwife and that will do me nicely.

I don't agree in the slightest you need friends in your life. If you want them and it makes you sad not to have them then sure go for it but if you are someone like me who hates the idea of having friends and having to talk with other people then I don't see an issue with that.

And yes I have had an abundance of therapy and medication for my anxiety and dislike for friendships.

I read your other thread and I think it gives a lot of context to how you feel about interactions with others. My husband's autistic (he only realised when our DD was diagnosed) and also finds people draining, and needs a lot of time alone to recharge. He does have friendships, generally based around stuff with fairly minimal social interaction (cycling, football) or ones involving inanimate objects like cars. It's a shame you can't ride the horses right now. Hopefully that will be affordable again in future. I have a friend who regularly rode someone else's livery horse and I know her bond with the horse was really special.

However, you never know how children will turn out! My DD is super sociable, despite some social misunderstandings and difficulties from time to time. And actually so is one of my nieces despite her mum also being very limited socially. I think the main thing as children grow up is to live somewhere they can be somewhat independent as living in a rural, isolated place means either the parents have to be very actively involved with kids' social life or they are bored and lonely, especially if they're not close to a sibling.

So actually I think your house/school decision is ultimately pretty important!

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 09:04

Holdinguphalfthesky · 19/02/2026 08:56

But the scenario I posted isn’t about you, it’s about your child’s life, relationships, social development. If he’s never allowed to go with his friends and their families he is going to be socially disadvantaged, and that will have a massive impact on his life.

A schoolfriend’s parent isn’t the same as a random person in the street. A neighbour isn’t a random person either. You have information about those people- their names, where they live. You will have spoken with them and have some idea about their presentation.

I won’t keep reiterating the same points but I would suggest you do some research into child development and reconsider your rather unusual views on your kids’ friendships and independence. Your current ideas and plans will do them a massive disservice in their lives.

I don't know a single neighbours name. Besides a occasional brief hello thats it.

I can read as many books as I like. It isn't going to change my views on keeping my kids safe. My 5-6 year old would not be going anywhere with someone I didn't know.

But I appreciate the input.

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HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 19/02/2026 09:04

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:54

I will let them out of my sight when I think they are old enough and ready. Anything under 7 is not old enough with people I don't know well.

You are framing your behaviour as keeping your children safe but all I see is you letting your anxiety and desire to be isolated dictate your parenting style.

All of this is about you with little regard to what your children might want or need. It’s incredibly selfish. You could change this but you won’t.

Holdinguphalfthesky · 19/02/2026 08:56

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:45

I stand by I won't sacrifice safety for convenience.

No I would not let a parent I don't know take my child to a cafe without me or to a club. You wouldn't allow a random neighbour or someone you saw in a shop everyday drive your child somewhere would you? What is the difference between that and a parent you don't know.

Yes my views may be a tad extreme but I am really shocked so many people think its totally fine to just let young children go with random parents you don't know.

But the scenario I posted isn’t about you, it’s about your child’s life, relationships, social development. If he’s never allowed to go with his friends and their families he is going to be socially disadvantaged, and that will have a massive impact on his life.

A schoolfriend’s parent isn’t the same as a random person in the street. A neighbour isn’t a random person either. You have information about those people- their names, where they live. You will have spoken with them and have some idea about their presentation.

I won’t keep reiterating the same points but I would suggest you do some research into child development and reconsider your rather unusual views on your kids’ friendships and independence. Your current ideas and plans will do them a massive disservice in their lives.

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:54

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 19/02/2026 08:50

They absolutely will be - but only if you have equipped them with the skills to be independent. If you make them scared of the world then they won’t.

You have no desire to get to know people so you’re never going to let them out of your sight are you?

I will let them out of my sight when I think they are old enough and ready. Anything under 7 is not old enough with people I don't know well.

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HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 19/02/2026 08:50

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:47

I'm not sure I can imagine my 10 year old just wondering around on their own! But I will acknowledge I don't have a 10 year old so I have no idea if my stance on that would change as they got older.

But certainky anything under 7/8 they wouldn't being going places with people we don't know.

They absolutely will be - but only if you have equipped them with the skills to be independent. If you make them scared of the world then they won’t.

You have no desire to get to know people so you’re never going to let them out of your sight are you?

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 19/02/2026 08:48

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:38

Considering I have a confident child who is praised by nursery for how lovely and affectionate he is to other kids I don't think there is anything wrong with my parenting.

I won't ever dicourage my child from doing things or making friends. But I will be doing everything I can to keep him safe and if that makes me a bad parent then so be it.

But your extreme anxiety around safety will prevent him from having a normal childhood.
Nursery is a bubble. It’s highly controlled and you don’t really get chance to meet parents. The kids haven’t developed proper friendships so play dates aren’t really a thing.
Any activities they do at this age will require a parent to be present.

Once they get to primary school that all changes. They become independent people who are separate from you.
They make friends and want to do things with them
outside of school. Clubs and activities become ‘drop off’ rather than stay and watch. Life becomes hectic and friendships with other parents can really help.

redskyAtNigh · 19/02/2026 08:47

OP - my parents thought it important to send me to the "best school" they could find. My mother was somewhat like you - she didn't believe in making friends or that social interactions were important.

The result is that I have absolutely stellar academic qualifications, but it took me years to build up self esteem and self confidence and ability to interact with others. And, my observation is that academic qualifications can only get you so far. The people getting the top jobs are ones that are very qualified (or sometimes incredibly hard working) but are also good at getting on with people and that have the confidence to push themselves forward.

It is much easier to get academic qualifications later than it is to build up social skills, if you are starting from a basis of being trustful of those around you.

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:47

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 19/02/2026 08:42

Post primary!!!! That’s ridiculous.
My DS is in the last year of primary and he goes out on his own!

Post primary is secondary school. They’ll be walking/catching the bus on their own by that stage and won’t be needing lifts for ‘playdates’. They’ll just be going out on their own.

I'm not sure I can imagine my 10 year old just wondering around on their own! But I will acknowledge I don't have a 10 year old so I have no idea if my stance on that would change as they got older.

But certainky anything under 7/8 they wouldn't being going places with people we don't know.

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Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:45

Holdinguphalfthesky · 19/02/2026 08:39

What if they walk to the cafe?

What if your son wants to join a club that clashes with your other child’s needs? Simon’s mum can take him and bring him home, or you have to ban him. He doesn’t understand why you won’t trust Simon’s mum, he ends up worried about everyone OR he rebels and the moment he’s big enough he break out and does all the things he’s never experienced without your blessing and against your wishes.

Seriously, please do consider your children’s own well-being and social, emotional, and mental health. Normal social interactions are vital and a healthy part of child development.

i wonder if instead of imposing limits around your kids due to your own fears on every person you meet, you would do better to read some books on child development, so that you can work out how best to meet their needs. Their needs are going to be very different to yours.

I stand by I won't sacrifice safety for convenience.

No I would not let a parent I don't know take my child to a cafe without me or to a club. You wouldn't allow a random neighbour or someone you saw in a shop everyday drive your child somewhere would you? What is the difference between that and a parent you don't know.

Yes my views may be a tad extreme but I am really shocked so many people think its totally fine to just let young children go with random parents you don't know.

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HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 19/02/2026 08:42

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:32

Young age for me to allow a stranger to drive them somewhere or take them out on their own probably post primary.

If I had met the parent and we has a couple of playdates together I probably wouldn't mind dropping them off for playdates once I was comfortable but I wont let anyone I am not very veey comfortable with drive them until they are in a high backed booster and only if I fully trust the parent to use it.

Post primary!!!! That’s ridiculous.
My DS is in the last year of primary and he goes out on his own!

Post primary is secondary school. They’ll be walking/catching the bus on their own by that stage and won’t be needing lifts for ‘playdates’. They’ll just be going out on their own.

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:41

Simonjt · 19/02/2026 08:34

I grew up with parents with this view, we had an incredibly isolated and lonely childhood, it also meant our parents completely failed in modelling positive relationships. On top of that you seem to be planning to isolate your children further by homeschooling, have you just had them as something for you to do, rather than actually valuing them as people with their own needs and desires?

Considering I had intended to return to my job before my son was born no I didn't have them as 'something to do'

If I made friends I wouldn't be modelling 'positive relationships' I would be modelling fake relationships which make their mum extremely uncomfortable and teaching them that you have to force yourself to have friends and be around people even if it makes you unhappy because otherwise society considers you to be a 'bad parent'

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Holdinguphalfthesky · 19/02/2026 08:39

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:18

Other people especially ones I don't know would not be driving my young children anywhere. You have no idea how they drive, if they will follow how you prefer to do carseat safety and unless you know the parent weell you have no idea who they are or what they are like.

So no I wouldn't risk my kids being left alone with someone who I barely knew.

What if they walk to the cafe?

What if your son wants to join a club that clashes with your other child’s needs? Simon’s mum can take him and bring him home, or you have to ban him. He doesn’t understand why you won’t trust Simon’s mum, he ends up worried about everyone OR he rebels and the moment he’s big enough he break out and does all the things he’s never experienced without your blessing and against your wishes.

Seriously, please do consider your children’s own well-being and social, emotional, and mental health. Normal social interactions are vital and a healthy part of child development.

i wonder if instead of imposing limits around your kids due to your own fears on every person you meet, you would do better to read some books on child development, so that you can work out how best to meet their needs. Their needs are going to be very different to yours.

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:38

OhDear111 · 19/02/2026 08:31

@Karma1387 I think you need to review how you parent. Your poor child!

Considering I have a confident child who is praised by nursery for how lovely and affectionate he is to other kids I don't think there is anything wrong with my parenting.

I won't ever dicourage my child from doing things or making friends. But I will be doing everything I can to keep him safe and if that makes me a bad parent then so be it.

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HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 19/02/2026 08:36

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:28

I won't be discouraging him from having friends. If whilst at school he makes friends I will be enthusistic about it and if he wants to go to a playdate with me with him (until a certain age) then I will put on my best smile and attempt to make small talk with the parent.

I will never prevent him from making friends but I also won't allow things ai personally don't feel are safe like allowing play dates at a young age without me there or allowing another parent to drive him.

I think you need to acknowledge that your idea of safety is quite extreme.
I agree with a previous post that homeschooling would be a very selfish choice and isolating for your children. It sounds like you actively avoid socialising so they will need school to be able to develop those skills and to make wider friendships.

Simonjt · 19/02/2026 08:34

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 07:34

Haven't worked that one out yet. I assume I will have to cope with some basic chit chat but my kids friends doesn't mean their parents will be my friends. We just have to be civil.

I grew up with parents with this view, we had an incredibly isolated and lonely childhood, it also meant our parents completely failed in modelling positive relationships. On top of that you seem to be planning to isolate your children further by homeschooling, have you just had them as something for you to do, rather than actually valuing them as people with their own needs and desires?

Karma1387 · 19/02/2026 08:33

LeastOfMyWorries · 19/02/2026 08:27

Fine- you do you- but to not actively try to avoid your children living this friendless life is unhealthy and selfish in the extreme. Please tread very carefully and please do not homeschool.

I have no intention of stopping my kids from having friends. If they want playdates I have to be civil to the parents and have a bit of small talk. No obligation to be 'friends'

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