What is going on? Epstein

I don't care about him no. Even if you went back in time she was only 17 at the time, he was a prince who was living a great life at the top of his game. There was 100% a power imbalance. Why did her need to sleep with a 17yr old? And to your point about her doing it for the money still goes back to an imbalance of power so no. As for blowing his brains out, I mean he's not given any remorse yet so why would that happen?

There is some seriously batshit stuff on SM atm regarding epstein and MJ. Also regarding baby sacrificing and Oprah Winfrey building orphanages to provide epstein and his cohorts with babies to sacrifice and abuse

The problem with all of this is that it detracts from the reality, that was grim enough and is part of the reason the epstein victims were not taken seriously in the first place because the outrageous, ridiculous allegations overshadowed the truth

Yes, I dont think it's any surprise that Clinton may have been involved.

I think people are suggesting that the obamas and Biden could have released the files but maxwell had a live appeal so they couldn’t do that without impacting her court case. Bill Clinton was constantly with Epstein and he’s actually portrayed in a giant painting dressed in a blue dress..

Why are you including the Obamas in this? As far as I’m aware there isn’t a single allegation against Obama and the only mention of him in the files is them referring him negatively because they all seem to hate him - so the mentions are actually to his credit.

Do you have any evidence that suggests otherwise?

Wait till you see what Megan Kelly had to say on the matter. Or some guy on Joe Rogan who was basically saying "girls juice deals what you going to do about it."
I think anyone wondering how the grooming gangs scandal was allowed to go on for so long/how people with power were able to rationalise turning a blind eye can at least look at the reactions to this and understand. But to understand is not, contrary to the French saying, to forgive

I'm relieved to think so! But this is what I mean. So many accusations flying now it muddies the waters. Or I may not have drunk enough coffee today..

The Obamas are in the 300 notable people list

Overall l, I'm getting a very strong impression this whole Epstein charade is there to make us look away from something far more relevant and dangerous to us, ordinary citizens. I'm not one given to conspiracy theories and I refuse to speculate beyond this idea, but I stand my ground that none of this would be getting so much air time if there wasn't something else we are really discouraged from seeing. Like 2007, which was a celebrity car crash before 2008 kicked off.

There are people mentioned in the files, without any implications they were involved. E.g. Jeremy Corbyn is there, but only because hes mentioned in emails between Epstein and Mandelson moaning about how much they dislike him (go Jeremy!).

This is all part of the distraction campaign."Oh but the Obama's are in there too". Yes, it's possible they're mentioned, but that doesn't mean they're implicated.

What an abhorrent, heartless, careless throwaway comment about trafficked young women. I'm guessing you're male?
There are a number of recent threads on here about the enquiries into grooming gangs. You think this is any different? That rich men should be able to abuse women and it's OK because the women look happy?
In those circles, coercive abuse is common followed by being forced to take drugs so they are addicted and violence if they don't comply. 'Look happy darling or I'll rape you and beat you up'.
I actually feel sick at what you wrote, I hope you're not a parent, you cold, careless excusatory mate of the likes of the former Prince. I'm going away to vomit.

I think that post was joking. But mentioned in the files can mean: "I saw Theresa May is Prime Minister now". As opposed to an email to someone along the lines of "fun seeing you on the island".

May is mentioned in relation to Brexit and specifically in emails from Steve Bannon to Epstein in which Bannon talks about discussing a plot to unseat her with Boris Johnson, Reese Mog and Farage. So Theresa Mays name is there but there isn't any implication she was involved with Epstein at all. Bannon was in direct contact with Epstein on multiple.occassions (also lots of reference to massages etc) so he's seems pretty involved. Farage, Johnson and Reese-Mogg are in the middle - they have a level of guilt by association through that email if you take Bannons assertion he met with them as the truth. So there's 3 different levels of implication there in just one email.

I agree, randomly saying this name or that name is in the files isn't helpful.

If you’re charged with a crime in the United States, you have the right to a speedy trial. In order for prosecutors to win a trial, they have to prove someone’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecutors don’t charge people with crimes that they, the prosecutors, don’t feel they’re able to prove in court. If someone is found not guilty of a crime, that’s it, it’s over. Prosecutors don’t get another chance at trying them for the same crime because of double jeopardy laws.

Once someone in the US is arrested, they have to be either charged or released in a pretty short time period. If prosecutors in the applicable jurisdictions don’t feel they can prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt, not arresting a person is the smart move.

I took the post you quoted as sarcasm.

Right, the credibility of this takes a dive now because while I despise Theresa May's politics, it seems utterly ludicrous to me that she'd be involved in something like this. Don't believe it. Trouble is there's now all sorts of unverified stuff circulating making it harder to get to the truth and letting the likes of Trump, where there's clear photographic and other evidence of him knowing Epstein and Epstein's tendencies, off the hook.

And VG was definitely groomed, abused and sex trafficked by the way. I can't believe people are still trying to throw doubt on that. If people don't understand the mechanics of child grooming and sexual exploitation by now after all the news coverage they will never understand.

It's more than sleazy

Epstein by then was widely known to be sex trafficking children. He had served a (laughably small) prison sentence but the fact he was involved in a much wider operation was public knowledge by that time. The men who emailed him joking about sex with women, about women's private parts and made jokes references to Epstein's "spicy" tastes would definitely have known. All of Epstein's power to abuse the women came from his connections. Can you imagine being a trafficked woman and told "I know politicians and royalty and I can make you and your family disappear if you don't cooperate" and then you see him with royalty and politicians who all know about his conviction for sex trafficking...
Even if those people never touched a child themselves (dubious) they are complicit simply by being there. It's not just that they had the chance to do something and didn't. By being around him and the abuse they facilitated it.

Imagine a much more mundane case of a child in an ordinary family being abused by their uncle. Who tells that child "no one will believe you and noone cares anyway". And then you see him abusing the child and the child sees you see him abuse them and you do nothing. Of course you become completely complicit at that point.

And paedophiles are very good at grooming people to accept the unacceptable to be sure. But at a certain point you have to accept those people had agency to act the way they did. And that ability of paedophiles to corrupt those around them is why they should be avoided like the plague/prevented from infiltrating institutions. The people that failed to gatekeep are bad people.

The depressing thing isn't that such a high proportion of men are paedophiles. It's that such a high proportion were apparently happy to turn a blind eye/facilitate child sexual abuse so long as they were given women to sleep with. That's just as bad actually.

And it might not be possible to be prosecute Andrew/Mandleson for that. But it should be possible to prosecute them for misconduct in a public office re the bribes and corruption. So we should do that.

Where have you seen that the Obamas are mentioned? They do not appear in any of the documents, videos or emails released so far.

I went down a rabbit hole on Facebook and some of the stuff on there makes AMW shagging a 17 year old look positively wholesome. Some of the child torture, cannibalism and devil worshipping allegations are frightening. I hope they’re not true but nothing would surprise me now.

They've only released the non actionable stuff.

Because an elite ring of pedos do actually rule the world. We all owe our local conspiracy theorist a huge apology.

Yuk. That's the argument that meant the Rotherham girls were let down for so long. They knew what they were doing, they liked the attention and gifts/money...

Honestly, how do you think a girl of VG's background ended up at parties frequented by royalty, at 17yo?

Yes, the new documentary is really disturbing.