12pts in a week - driving ban

I do have some sympathy. I had done a speed awareness course, was something like 2 months from when the next offence would lead to a fine not another course. Then I drove somewhere to drop my sick cat off for an operation and drove back (so not unbroken journey as per previous poster). Got ticket for each wash past same spot

totallt my my fault. But I do get your point about not having the chance to reflect. So I went to pay for them both expecting 2 sets of fines and points. Sent back in same envelope with a pleading post it. They took the £ for both but I only got one set of points

phew

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'I don't think the signs are as clear as they should be'. Perhaps there should be dispensations for people with visual problems.

I was going to suggest this. Plead guilty and apologise properly and fully, with assurances (and if possible evidence) of how you will drive more carefully in future as well as doing the speed awareness course. Basically, throw yourself on the mercy of the court. A specialist lawyer can advise as to the best course of action and what to say.

The circumstances may be taken into account as long as you say the right things. Don't say things like it is unfair and you have driven for 30 years with no problem.
It was a mistake, own it fully and completely and apologise but ask for the appropriate circumstances to be taken into account, and a lawyer is best placed to advise as to what circumstances should be presented for consideration.

And just to say, I am grateful to MN for the warning about Wales. I would have definitely assumed no speed signs on a road with lights on would default to 30mph. I know ignorance of the law is no excuse but nonetheless I was ignorant of that so am grateful to have been corrected

Good luck op, i hope you get a reasonable outcome. Ignore all the ' holier than thou' replies.

agree, I would hugely prefer a "being pulled over" approach to dealing with speeding than ANPR everywhere. I also think that forces anally issuing fines to people going at 25 in a 20 are being officious and using drivers as cash cows, and their energies would be much better spent, as others have said, punishing drag racing twats who actually drive carelessly and dangerously.

As a JP we’re don’t see driving records like yours. Totting usually spans 3-4 seperate by weeks, months or even years between. Each bench make their own decisions but in my court I would expect you to make an exceptional circumstances claim.
losing your job is not a certain win but it will be listened to. It could go from keeping your licence but with very strict conditions, a big fine in lieu, or a ban, likely shorter that the standard.Apologies if this has already been explained

Yes, saying you weren't aware could mean you are done for driving without due care and attention.

Well, yes, OP has apparently received NIPs but has the opportunity to go to Court before any consideration of EH needs to be made.

Your experiences of loss of employment being persuasive evidence of EH are different to mine. 😉

So maybe even the Archbishop of Canterbury was being a dangerous driver? I don't think anything about being an archbishop means you are a necessarily a good driver.

I think you will be fine as there is some discretion allowed with many police forces especially in this circumstance. If you only found out about the offences all at once there is always the argument you didn’t know about the problem and didn’t have chance to correct your driving.

You could consult a solicitor and they will likely tell you this. It would need to be a specialist solicitor specialises in motoring offences.

also check the area in question for accurate signage and repeating signs and if they haven’t been signage properly none of the offences will count. Good luck!

You can do the course online now.

OP I sympathise and think not all speeding is equal. I've had one ticket in a lifetime of safe driving (if anything I"m overly cautious) but it was 35 on a 30 - the road runs parallel to the usual road I drive on and is a 30 whereas my usual road is a 40. They're literally the other side of a big field and the only difference at all is that the one I was on that's a 30 has fields on both sides and the one that's a 40 has houses and a school! Makes no sense. Anyway I did my course etc but I do feel for you.

I know it does seem very unfair indeed

Oh no! Hopefully the OP doesn't get a ban!

this happened to that politician and Vicky Price

I dont tihnk it was quite all in one week but at least two were in fact on the same day and they did get a ban.

Agreed! @Jarofgoodness Whatever you do, do NOT lie about being the one driving. That is utterly batshit advice. People have gone to PRISON for this. Forget any fine or points on your licence or 6 month ban, you will lose your licence for probably 5 years, and could very well go to prison, possibly for 6-12 months!

What happened to them?

Which section of road was it? Have a look on Street View to check the signage. If you post the road / area name here I'm sure people can help check for you x

They're mostly online now so no need to return to the area where you got the ticket!

I believe that there are lawyers who specialise in getting people out of bans. I would imagine it’s. expensive. I wonder though, if you did one speed awareness course if that would take you to 9 points ?

You should be able to do a driver’s awareness course for the first speeding ticket and then you have to drive like a snail for 4 years.
Unfortunately this happened to my 81 year old dad when they moved house and he thought a road was 40 when it was 30, he got 5 tickets in a month. He went to court to try for exceptional circumstances as being the only driver in the house. He still lost his license. He had great fun in a mobility scooter for 6 months and then got his licence back. Sadly he died 3 months later.
Send off for the driver’s awareness course as soon as it gets offered, I’m pretty sure it means you going back to the area where you got the fine though to do the course so drive very slowly once you’re there!

My advice is naturally predicated upon the OP being prosecuted in relation to the speeding matters.

And, with 25 years experience in criminal law, I do consider that loss of employment is likely to be persuasive evidence of exceptional hardship. Whilst it often depends upon the effect on others, that is not a determinative requirement.

Some 20 zones don't have repeaters as standard. You enter the Zone and are expected to notice.

I would appeal on the basis of it being a "single offence". You thought it was a 30 Zone and were caught multiple times presumably by the same camera. You haven't broken the speed limit in different areas. I would argue you were unfamiliar with the area. Go and check for the 20 signs. How did you miss them? You could claim they weren't clear for example.

I feel for you OP. 20mph is an absolute joke of a speed tbh. Theres a few 20mph roads near-ish me and i very much doubt anyone does 20 on them. Hope you get it sorted 🤞🏻

From what the OP has said so far, they have only had the NIPs so far do don't have any points on their licence yet.
You should know that loss of employment is not a strong argument as it depends on many factors.
Exceptional Hardship often relies on the effect on others, not just the license holder.