12pts in a week - driving ban

That’s really not true anymore. Many cities and councils have 20mph zones. Very few are time dependent.

You need to check whether there were signs up for the temporary speed limit as if there were it doesn’t bode well for your driving awareness that you managed to miss repeating speed signs for four days in a row. Repeat offending on the same stretch of road shows a massive lack of attention to your surroundings and that will surely be pointed out to you by any judge in court. You need to contact a specialist solicitor and show how this will affect you adversely as there are times where people don’t get banned, but I don’t think arguing that 4 offences on the same road in the same week would go in your favour, if anything it makes it look worse.

@Jarofgoodness you need a solicitor and fight it .
It has to be shown you knowingly ment to break the speeding limit.

I think it will be fine . Nobody does that every day knowing they would loose their license. With your record I think the judge would be lenient .

A few miles an hour can make a huge difference.

They introduced 20mph zones because the risk of severe injury is greatly reduced. Saying it's not much slower than 30 is beside the point.

She was still in the 20's, she wasn't doing 60 was she! You don't need to go over the top! If kids are stepping out in front of a car doing 27mph then there's a parenting fail! How much difference do you think just a few miles per hour makes! You don't need to exaggerate just to try and make the OP feel guilty! It was still a low speed! And you haven't seen the road with your your own eyes to judge! Also as another FYI, 20mph zones outside schools only tend to be active during school drop off and pick up times which means for most of us commuting to work, we pass schools before and after those times.

Yep! NEVER take speeding points for someone else.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/11/chris-huhne-vicky-pryce

Sorry to be rude, but I don't think that's correct. May be so in Wales, but not in the rest of the UK AFAIK.

Always best to err on the side of caution though, and doing 20 is probably a good idea anyway (just in case) and the speed bumps are less likely to do damage to your car if you're doing 20.

Definitely see a solicitor as soon as you can OP, you have my total sympathy, this could happen to anybody

It's easy to be judgmental but it's a fact of life when driving on unfamiliar roads that there are long stretches of roads out there with no speed limit signs or signs that have disappeared into greenery. My partner and I drive to airports and airport hotels a number of times a year and if I had a quid for everytime my partner was puzzled and looking for non existent speed limit signs and asking what the speed limit is. The real world isn't the same as the judgemental one.

You should have the option to do a speed awareness course and then I would appeal to the judge. Was there clear signage on the road? I would have a look on google maps and check.

@bumblingbovine49 there will be a 20 mph sign in Wales when you enter a 20 zone. It’s not as if you’re expected to know automatically! The main difference from England is that there won’t be repeaters. If your journey starts within a 20 zone - perhaps from a hotel or residential address then you will have entered that zone on your way to that location and seen a 20mph sign.

All this talk about not knowing about the speed limits in Wales - if you look at the signs it doesn’t matter. Just as I didn’t know in advance about some 20 zones in Oxford when I visited recently.

@Jarofgoodness your defence rests on the presence and visibility of 20mph signs. Have you established those facts yet?

That’s useful to know before a trip to wales - dh there in a couple of weeks. I will warn him!

Do you really know what it's like though to drive on unfamiliar roads though? You are being very harsh and you pretended she was going much faster than she was! There's a lot of roads out there where speed limits chop and change without logic! There are alsoaby roads out there where you can be looking to see speed limit signage and find there's none! You are being very over the top of what was still a very low speed! Late 20"s isn't racing along is it! You won't be perfect on the roads either!

It was a 20mph zone and the OP was doing late 20's! It's not that often that you see 20mph zones and even then many are only active at certain times for schools.

Yup. That is until reform get in and they change it all back cos they'd rather people die than go a bit slower

Exactly. In fact, if it's an unfamiliar road, you could argue that you should be even more vigilant in looking out for street signs etc .

Lampposts are 20 not 30 in Wales? I had no idea 😮

I came to say this but also google maps the whole stretch of road and see the signage but if court is what happens definitely go and plead your case

I'm a bit confused how you missed the speed signs several days in a row... ?
Are they not visible? Were they obstructed? Can you go back and check the visibility? Take some photos, check with a lawyer, fight the fine and points.
If the signs are perfectly visible and you missed them several days in a row, should you even drive?

And awards for the especially patronising. 🥇

Apologies if this has already been said - I’ve read all of OP’s posts but not others - But could you join a local Facebook group for the area and see if this piece of road has been mentioned, signage wise?

Other than that I absolute recommend a specialist solicitor.

Check the signage. I got a parking ticket refunded this way. Big pub chain where you had to give reg at bar.

But sounds like you made the mistake of assuming it was 30 because it was a built up area.

I recently learned that any road with speed bumps is 20mph is without signs. I missed that memo but dd has just passed her test.

In future if in doubt have a phone holder and Google maps, it's usually up to date and tells you the speed limit and waht your doing, considering it was a 20 zone, it means it was a high population area and likely school, so think of your 4 tickets and 4 times you could have seriously injured or killed someone