To think Lowe is going to wipe the floor with Farage?

Ben Habib’s party? Is that the one with Tommy Ten names in or is there another? I thought Advance was merging with Lowe’s new one. It@/ quite difficult to keep track.

The more the merrier I say. Good luck to all of them trying to find 650 vetted candidates for an election that don’t have something dodgy in their background.

Apparently it's 'Restore Britain' - had to look it up

Agreed. I grew up in a deprived working class town in the NE and couldn’t be less represented by either Farage or Lowe.

If you aren't supporting a racist, far right party, then obviously I'm not talking about you.

Re the far right representating the working classes... see above.

Some very selective reading you’ve got there.

The same information you’ve just shared, also says:

People must be physically in the UK to lodge an asylum claim. It is not possible to claim asylum from abroad and there is no asylum visa.

So they’ll have to arrive without a visa, won’t they, because they can’t get an asylum visa and can’t claim asylum from abroad. Which is what I said.

I didn’t say it wasn’t unlawful, I said they were rarely detained, because of the above. Which your information also says:

Most asylum seekers are not detained beyond the initial examination. UK law only allows for people to be detained for immigration purposes “where there is a realistic prospect of removal within a reasonable period”. Someone who has claimed asylum usually has a legal right to be in the UK until that claim is decided, so there will be no realistic prospect of removal within a reasonable period given that asylum decisions take months or years to process.

Do you always only read the parts you like?

You’re misquoting today’s news that Musk has liked Lowe over Farage. That’s not ‘supported by’.

I’m right of centre but not far right, and happy to debate any time, any topic, without personal insults or using Instagram ‘evidence’.

The sneering superiority toward predominantly working class people doesn’t help your cause, though.

You do raise as bad as Farage is Lowe is worse. I’m hoping the both destroy each other. Lowe wants millions to go, not just illegals. He also said that millions of people should be made to feel uncomfortable so they leave on their own accord. What do you think this sounds like to you?

this country is getting weirder and more and more fascist by the minute

2025 Report by Refugee and Migrant Forum in Essex and London. A charity licenced to level 3 in immigration, so subject to checks and audits in the event you doubted their credibility.

I think he speaks for most ordinary folk, those struggling on whilst rather too many people are (perhaps falsely) claiming asylum or just arriving as migrants, then having their life funded by the UK taxpayer. Nothing done to assimilate them into the ‘British way’ of life, no purpose offered.
My father came from Ireland in the mid-50s as an economic migrant and worked hard until he was in his early 70s. He expected nothing, was certainly due nothing but overcame his rise from poverty in rural Ireland.
Now imagine how differently we might view these incomers is they could work, learn how to function alongside the majority, and were subject to the same checks and balances the rest of society, and how different we might treat them.
Instead we are repeatedly learning of criminal behaviour, particularly sexual assaults, taxis to fast track appointments and so on.
The one question is whether that equalisation of effort and behaviour would curb the input - or whether it would increase it.

See, those sorts of unfounded insults do you no favours

It is illegal to enter the UK or be in the UK without an appropriate visa.

You should tell the house of commons since according to you, they've got it all wrong....

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10337/

I'll draw your attention to this passage:

Isn’t it perfectly legal for people to enter the UK by any means necessary if claiming asylum?

It is a criminal offence to arrive in the UK without a visa if one is required. Claiming asylum does not provide immunity against criminal prosecution for illegal entry.

On the other hand, being accused or convicted of illegal entry is not a ground for refusing someone asylum under UK law. This reflects the Refugee Convention, which envisages that refugees may be “unlawfully in the country of refuge” (article 31).

Does unlawfully have a different meaning for you?

Evidence of 6 per room please?

It’s not illegal to seek asylum in the UK.

Asylum seekers are generally not prosecuted for illegal entry if they claim asylum immediately upon arrival.

There is no current legal visa route to claim asylum in the UK, from outside of the UK.

Hope any of the above helps.

Branding people far left or far right. It is rarely applied correctly or fairly.

The issue with people like Lowe is that they tend not to care about any of the issues which they're happy wave around like a red rag to whip up the masses into anger. They just don't care. All authoritarians/ extremists of any shade are after is domination and power. If we give them the keys, not only will they not solve any of the problems that working people have been complaining about but they'll use their power to intimidate and crush opposition. Populists only know how to divide and rule. They can't care less about social cohesion and culture! The choice is between liberal democratic parties and feudal absolutists.

Has he done anything to highlight other forms of abuse and exploitation of British girls? Our shockingly low rape conviction rates, the footballers who walked away consequence free, the % of women who, if surveyed would say they'd experienced harassment, the way school girls groomed by teachers are described, the number of calls to abortion providers about young teen girls pregnant due to abuse...

If he only cares about the safety of girls when the abuser is Muslim, it's not the safety of women and girls he cares about

I’d love to see Lowe do it, but I’m still agog at seeing the old order destroyed by an insurgent party – to see that insurgent party destroyed by a different insurgent party, all within the space of a single parliament, is almost unimaginable to me.

But then that’s the sort of thing that happens in a revolution so it’s not entirely impossible.

Asylum seekers are here illegally.

It is a criminal offence to enter the UK without a visa where one is required.

It's why small boat arrival asylum seekers are arrested and questioned on entry.

Im no fan of Reform and agree that their main focus is on making the rich richer but I am also a bit sick of people on the progressive establishment side parroting things like this, or saying “ white Brits abuse girls too”. The grooming/ rape gangs involve mainly the systematic, organised abuse of children over the span of decades, aided and abetted by useful idiots in social services and police and are overwhelmingly made up of networks of men of Pakistani heritage.
The victims have been let down by the authorities time and again, which is why people like Lowe can use the righteous anger of ordinary people to further his own ends.
Also, I don’t think most people are only concerned with illegal immigration. After Brexit (caused by Farage) the government allowed record numbers of immigrants in through legal channels and this has caused problems for many communities across the uk. Again, the main parties pretending this isn’t a problem opens the door for extremists.

Divide and rule. Let's hope it works. They're both repulsive in every way.

Far left is communist. Not too many of them in the UK these days?

So do I.

Well, let's be honest, none of these far left types are exactly known for their intelligence. It really isn't reasonable to expect them to have coherent or consistent arguments.

Same goes...

Terrifying. But it will be good if they can split the vote. Hopefully that will finish off both parties. And the other one -Advance UK?

I am firmly clinging to the hope that they will all destroy each other.