To think Lowe is going to wipe the floor with Farage?

Okay, you keep putting your fingers in your ears and pretend there isn’t an issue or a race angle.

Billionaires and those in power have also been caught trafficking white girls (Epstein Files) and yet that evidence hasn’t been ignored.

When there are trends to crimes (or group tendencies) then it doesn’t do any good to ignore it due to the distastefulness it brings to our world view - irrespective of political leaning.

I'm not saying there isn't an issue with the way Pakistani grooming gangs were dealt with (or not) but to suggest that perpetrators are overwhelmingly Pakistani is not true. It's not even close to being true.

It is truly amazing that you think per capita is a reliable statistic.They don’t reliably publish nationality or ethnicity and the same offender can be recorded multiple times in the statistics anyway. It doesn’t mean that each recorded crime has been committed by a separate person.

Its truly amazing how per capita is always ignored.

Im basing what I said on personal experience of growing up around Pakistani men, and on the testimony of victims.
Thst article notes thst “ group based” means 2 or more perpetrators. It’s also notes that around half of perpetrators are children themselves.
It also includes abuse within families (which of course is rife)
What people are talking about with the grooming gangs is systematic, organised abuse, spanning years, and ignored and in some cases abetted by the very authorities who were paid to protect children. There is a lot of evidence that these authorities were afraid to name the problem, which enables the continuation.
It’s a specific problem. Saying “ it’s not true, look other races abuse too” is part of the problem. The fact that people are not allowed to say what they see is fuelling these nonsense parties.
Any form of systematic, organised abuse of children, whether in children’s homes or the Catholic Church needs to be named, and stopped. The fear of saying the unsayable is why the priests got away with it for so long.
I am on no one’s side here apart from children’s.

The grooming/ rape gangs involve mainly the systematic, organised abuse of children over the span of decades, aided and abetted by useful idiots in social services and police and are overwhelmingly made up of networks of men of Pakistani heritage.

This is simply not true and the fact that you (and so many people) believe it is, is driven by bad actors who want to manipulate the way people vote.

In terms of group-based offences, 85% of suspects are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black.

According to the 2021 census, 82% of the England and Wales population is white, compared with 9% Asian, 4% black and 2% mixed/other.

https://news.sky.com/story/child-sex-abuse-and-grooming-gangs-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-from-the-data-13285420

Also, the only party that does not believe immigration is a problem is the Green party. All others, including the current Labour government, are very clear that is is something they want to tackle.

The grooming/ rape gangs involve mainly the systematic, organised abuse of children over the span of decades, aided and abetted by useful idiots in social services and police and are overwhelmingly made up of networks of men of Pakistani heritage.

This is simply not true and the fact that you (and so many people) believe it is, is driven by bad actors who want to manipulate the way people vote.

In terms of group-based offences, 85% of suspects are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black.

According to the 2021 census, 82% of the England and Wales population is white, compared with 9% Asian, 4% black and 2% mixed/other.

https://news.sky.com/story/child-sex-abuse-and-grooming-gangs-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-from-the-data-13285420

Also, the only party that does not believe immigration is a problem is the Green party. All others, including the current Labour government, are very clear that is is something they want to tackle.

Do you think that premiership footballers came to Britain illegally in small boats and were housed in hotels prior to getting their contracts with their clubs?

You make no distinction between anyone who lives and works here who wasn't born here and you think people who support Reform are stupid and racist?

Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan of either Farage or this other guy but the snobbery and viciousness of the Mumsnet class about ordinary working-class people's concerns is so vile that I don't blame anyone for voting for them.

The grooming/ rape gangs involve mainly the systematic, organised abuse of children over the span of decades, aided and abetted by useful idiots in social services and police and are overwhelmingly made up of networks of men of Pakistani heritage.

This is simply not true and the fact that you (and so many people) believe it is, is driven by bad actors who want to manipulate the way people vote.

In terms of group-based offences, 85% of suspects are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black.

According to the 2021 census, 82% of the England and Wales population is white, compared with 9% Asian, 4% black and 2% mixed/other.

https://news.sky.com/story/child-sex-abuse-and-grooming-gangs-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-from-the-data-13285420

Also, the only party that does not believe immigration is a problem is the Green party. All others, including the current Labour government, are very clear that is is something they want to tackle.

I don’t know if it’s true but the rumour has been doing the rounds online today and he only announced he was forming a party last night so who knows.

I’m also not convinced they would be willing to collaborate but I wouldn’t put anything past them either. They’re all power hungry and it might be the only way. Have to wait and see.

Ah, thanks, didn't know they were merging.

Re coalition... that would only work in a FPTP system if they agreed not to stand against each other. I'm less than convinced that they will be willing to collaborate to that extent.

Ben Habib’s party? Is that the one with Tommy Ten names in or is there another? I thought Advance was merging with Lowe’s new one. It@/ quite difficult to keep track.

The more the merrier I say. Good luck to all of them trying to find 650 vetted candidates for an election that don’t have something dodgy in their background.

I thought you were the initial poster I responded to why said asylum seekers are not here illegally which they patently are.

Advance U.K. are apparently merging with Lowe! The other possibility is that Reform may form a coalition with any of the other far right parties.

I mean, I know they’ve all got egos bigger than the sun and they won’t enjoy sharing power, but if it’s the only way they can gain power they may be open to it, which is really disastrous news for the country because, not only are they individual stains on society, but their leaders massive senses of self importance will cause infighting on a scale never before seen.

And yet the midlands and North vote Reform in heavier numbers than the south.

I think he speaks for most ordinary folk, those struggling on whilst rather too many people are (perhaps falsely) claiming asylum or just arriving as migrants, then having their life funded by the UK taxpayer. Nothing done to assimilate them into the ‘British way’ of life, no purpose offered.
My father came from Ireland in the mid-50s as an economic migrant and worked hard until he was in his early 70s. He expected nothing, was certainly due nothing but overcame his rise from poverty in rural Ireland.
Now imagine how differently we might view these incomers is they could work, learn how to function alongside the majority, and were subject to the same checks and balances the rest of society, and how different we might treat them.
Instead we are repeatedly learning of criminal behaviour, particularly sexual assaults, taxis to fast track appointments and so on.
The one question is whether that equalisation of effort and behaviour would curb the input - or whether it would increase it.

Terrifying. But it will be good if they can split the vote. Hopefully that will finish off both parties. And the other one -Advance UK?

I am firmly clinging to the hope that they will all destroy each other.

Agreed. I grew up in a deprived working class town in the NE and couldn’t be less represented by either Farage or Lowe.

Im no fan of Reform and agree that their main focus is on making the rich richer but I am also a bit sick of people on the progressive establishment side parroting things like this, or saying “ white Brits abuse girls too”. The grooming/ rape gangs involve mainly the systematic, organised abuse of children over the span of decades, aided and abetted by useful idiots in social services and police and are overwhelmingly made up of networks of men of Pakistani heritage.
The victims have been let down by the authorities time and again, which is why people like Lowe can use the righteous anger of ordinary people to further his own ends.
Also, I don’t think most people are only concerned with illegal immigration. After Brexit (caused by Farage) the government allowed record numbers of immigrants in through legal channels and this has caused problems for many communities across the uk. Again, the main parties pretending this isn’t a problem opens the door for extremists.

Apparently it's 'Restore Britain' - had to look it up

Some very selective reading you’ve got there.

The same information you’ve just shared, also says:

People must be physically in the UK to lodge an asylum claim. It is not possible to claim asylum from abroad and there is no asylum visa.

So they’ll have to arrive without a visa, won’t they, because they can’t get an asylum visa and can’t claim asylum from abroad. Which is what I said.

I didn’t say it wasn’t unlawful, I said they were rarely detained, because of the above. Which your information also says:

Most asylum seekers are not detained beyond the initial examination. UK law only allows for people to be detained for immigration purposes “where there is a realistic prospect of removal within a reasonable period”. Someone who has claimed asylum usually has a legal right to be in the UK until that claim is decided, so there will be no realistic prospect of removal within a reasonable period given that asylum decisions take months or years to process.

Do you always only read the parts you like?