Reform wants women barefoot and pregnant

I can see why female Labour front benchers are so blind to child sex abuse now.
There is still this insistence that it there is not a problem with Labour and child sex abuse? Labour Peer Lord Glasman spoke about it himself on Sky News recently.

You didn't acknowledge that both Conservative and LibDem list was small compared to the very long Labour list for recent allegations investigated by the Police and convictions and instead focused on providing a list which I'll respond to below.

It is clear this idea that paedophiles exist equally everywhere isn't true. They are the most motivated people and live their lives entirely creating opportunity and mixing with people that will not expose their predilictions.

My search was for "recent scandal child sex abuse in .... party" produced the results I posted.

Your list
Jack Denny:
Background: Denny is an ex-police sergeant and prison officer. Professionally, he is identified as a criminologist and an advocate for prison law and human rights.
He was removed via internal vetting by Reform after being put forward as a candidate for Leeds and it was found out he had convictions and on the sex register. But he's gone, nowhere to hide and no political party covering for him, didn't get promoted by Starmer and McSweeney as a suitable candidate for an MP - see Dan Norris scandal (current and recent resignation/criminal proceedings).

Stephen Hartley: "praised a known abuser" - that was Jimmy Savile. He wasn't arrested and no police investigation as it was a Twitter post. Following his suspension, Reform UK withdrew all support for his candidacy and confirmed he was no longer a party member. Hartley stated he thought the suspension was "fair enough" and mentioned he had "forgotten" to disclose his X (formerly Twitter) account during the party's vetting process. You do recall that Starmer was head of CPS and has said that no evidence passed his desk regarding Savile so he couldn't be held responsible for not proceeding with any of the claims brought forward by Savile victims or the grooming gangs for that matter during his tenure.

Jason Rutter - can't find anything about who he is or your claim so could you provide a link for that?

Aaron Knight - this is 2016 so wouldn't have shown up under my search of "recent". Yes he was an abuser and I expect all party vetting is now 100% better than back in 2016, so I don't think Labour have any excuse for the number of very "recent" convictions and allegations which is what my original list was highlighting. UKIP not Reform, not recent, so the search didn't provide the name, but not relevant to my assertions that Labour have a CURRENT sex abuse problem and are currently in power which should be shocking, but apparently let's dig out something from 2016 and not Reform.

I can't see any link between Anthony Styles and Reform at all.

I think the sheer numbers of recent convictions connected to child sex abuse connected to Labour indicate a problem. Females on the left insist it is equally divided amongst "all men". Not true. If it's true for you, then you really need a new circle of friends, partners and associates.

My search was for "recent" scandals of child sexual abuse. We should now expect better vetting of all policitians surely? But your list seems to be rather desperately trying to pin something from UKIP in 2016 to Reform today. Reform's vetting suspending those which are not suitable seems a good and robust policy. All parties should be adopting shouldn't they?

Seriously, maybe Labour could do some backwards vetting of the people it seems to have welcomed in without the appropriate vetting seeing as some are the heights of power by Starmer ie. Dan Norris very recently.

Dan Norris the Labour MP that Starmer was highly supportive of in fact ignored calls to investigate Norris' bullying reported back in April 2025 by a charity.

Norris then went on to be arreseted for rape and abduction and historical child sex abuse. Weird that no vetting picked any of that up by Labour? Really, don't you think? He was put forward as the Labour candidate and known well by Starmer and McSweeney and vetting showed he would make a great MP and he won that seat at the last general election. That's what I mean by "recent".

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4ff570a687c4abb1

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx48gq0y77o

I provided Lib Dems and Conservatives and you didn't note how much shorter and noticebaly longer Labour's list was.

I can't imagine being so upset by a blog discussing demographics 18 months ago that a whole thread of imaginay scenarios when all of the cases listed in my post are NOW and ongoing.

What about all the current real problems within this government. Deleting court records? They've now given up on cancelling those elections so maybe someone can push Starmer off his perch and discuss Nick Brown as a catylst for change and then commit to restrospectively vet everyone in Labour as clearly the vetting to date has been questionable.

I can't understand all the excuses people are making and then coming up with a made up story that the idea (idea, remember) via the tax system providing support for parents while children are growing up is dystopian. No, you're living now under this current government in a dystopian horror story.

Children can change gender at school etc the list is endless. I really don't think Labour are the party for children and women. The words are there but the facts are very, very different.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/school-children-change-gender-trans-2p0xsm892?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqfeCueClvFNHcI0KP1SmUcI4Ko1BlHUSJUep6jvCayV6pcV_OFUynEoR33T0LA%3D&gaa_ts=69934abc&gaa_sig=VA96Qp0WHP5H7MPh4tGC2rev5loJtn8iA3Nn9MgZXhdnK5RYRw3zFcAK5YMGjXbbvDDY3xqu8sWfEkCOYrQWgw%3D%3D

I think Farage has stated in the recent past that he supported lifting the two child benefit cap but that it should not be paid to anyone not born on this country.

Agree re pensions but we should keep worries about care in proportion.

Less than 3% of older people (65+) live in care homes, and about 4.5% receive publicly funded long term care (either at home or care homes). That still needs to be funded but we needn’t catastrophise just yet I don’t think.

source https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/data-and-charts/key-facts-figures-adult-social-care

Yes, I thought the list looked a bit light but didn’t think I could be bothered with searching for more wrongdoing… 😔

You forgot the councillor with arrests for DV. I think you would have to word any search very 'selectively' to come out with nothing on Reform.

How strange that your AI search didn’t find anything for Reform/far right. Here’s a small selection.

Jack Denny
Reform UK candidate
Possession of indecent images
Dropped by party
Stephen Hartley
Reform UK candidate
Praised a known abuser
Suspended by party
Jason Rutter
Former UKIP candidate
Child sexual images possession
Convicted, sex offender register
Aaron Knight
UKIP aide
Systematic grooming of a boy
Convicted & jailed
Anthony Styles
Far-right activist (adjacent circles)
Child sexual abuse / indecent images
Convicted, sex offenders register
Simon Danczuk
Reform UK candidate Sexting a 17 year old.

What does any of this tell us? Sexual violence doesn’t wear any particular badge. And so what, this is a thread about encouraging more women to have children. I should think the list across all parties is enough to make some pause and wonder if this world is one to bring children into.

I mean why shouldn't you by their logic? You're even more a net contributor we we.dodnt pay out anything for your education or healthcare before you moved to the UK. I'm sure PP didn't mean to make it obvious how much immigrants are adding more value to society by their logic than a British citizen giving birth here 😁

There are people today in their 40s and 50s having strokes and amputations due to diabetes, they will require on going care for decades, our hospitals and GP surgeries are full of such people.

Not only that, they are no longer in work.

Just because someone lives a few years longer, doesn't automatically mean they will require care in those additional years.

But yes, just reducing poverty, wont always mean better health, we need a multi pronged approach.

Nonsense, i'm countering your argument ie we need to have more kids to look after older people, of course those people will also need care, so more children required.

How about better health outcomes, so people need less care?

Well, quite. I'm an immigrant woman who has had 2 children in the UK. Their father was also not a UK citizen. So would I qualify?

Also, how long does the tax break continue? My DC are adults. I'm 58, still working.

I was focusing on child sex abuse as you'll see from my post above where I state it, so links to paedophiles. You'll see in my post above I searched "recent" Labour scandals regarding child sex abuse.

It's interesting how easily swept aside you feel that this is "all men". I don't agree that all men would cover for paedophiles or that they are represented equally across all sectors. I think they are attracted to areas that provide cover/opportunity and are disproportionately represented in those areas. So I did a search for LibDem, Conservatives and Reform, I couldn't find any for Reform but please feel free to add names. There are possibly others to add to the Labour list regarding child sex abuse but I don't have time at the moment.

as you requested, I have done quick AI searches for "recent" as that's what I did for the Labour search - Conservative, Lib Dem and Reform and they are below.

I think without doubt there is a problem that Labour are in denial and claim "all men" and "all parties", but the list does get really rather long for child sex abuse on the Labour side. Head in sand is the only way to describe a female Labour supporter saying otherwise. Look at how they are handling the Grooming Gangs - dog whistles etc.

Searching historically opens many cans of worms regarding child sex abuse scandals for Labour, so I focused on "recent" in all searches I did.

AI search for recent child sex abuse claims against Conservative MP and Councillors below, but feel free to add any further child sex abuse names for Conservatives as that would be helpful.

Convicted Conservative MPs & Councillors

• Imran Ahmad Khan (Former MP for Wakefield): Sentenced to 18 months in prison in for the sexual assault of a 15-year-old boy in 2008. He resigned from Parliament following his conviction.
• Rylan Ray (Peterborough City Councillor): Charged in November 2025 with 22 offences, including the rape of a man, sexual assault on a male, and inciting a teenage boy to engage in sexual activity.

Philip Young below, I've included in the list as he was accused of possessing indecent images of children, but denies, but is on the list as it is about recent child sex abuse claims in each party:

• Philip Young (Former Swindon Borough Councillor): Pleaded guilty in January 2026 to multiple counts of drugging and raping his wife. While primarily domestic, the case involved charges of making and possessing indecent images of children, which he denied.

Lib Dems: Recent Councillor Convictions and Charges

• Paul Ockelton (Tewkesbury Borough Council): In March 2025, former councillor Paul Ockelton was convicted of sexually assaulting a young girl under the age of 13. He was expelled from the Liberal Democrat group following the verdict.
• Ryan Langley (Hull City Council): In October 2023, former deputy leader Ryan Langley was jailed for three years for offences including the sexual exploitation of a child and distributing indecent images.
• David Besag (Newcastle City Council): In February 2023, former councillor David Besag received a suspended sentence for possessing over 1,000 indecent images of children.

They'd have to be misrepresenting your point to be straw manning. You seem to confuse a straw man with someone repeating your logic back at you and it not sounding very logical.

By this logic, if someone immigrates here to work and pay tax their parents provided a tax payer for our economy, what value does that give them? The right to emigrate here possibly if they birth enough children that end up working in the UK economy? What do we do if someone has a child that ends up never working or paying tax or worse held in prison at the taxpayers expense, do we get to retrospectively tax them? You seem to be really naively assuming a child is automatically a benefit to the economy when it can be the opposite for all sorts of reasons.

So back to my question?

Because your value is more. I’m sorry but it is.

Well at least someone's just coming out and saying this regardless of how incorrect it is. Birthing children doesn't actually guarantee that any of those children born would be future workers or tax payers if that's how you're defining worth. Are people who have disabled children less worthy than those who have able bodied children but still more than those with no children? What a ridiculous thing to say.

PeppyCoralTiger
Please redo the list of offending men across all political parties as men who are abusive and who sexually offend are all across all parties, classes, jobs etc

When we can name them it's because they have been caught. As for the rest across all spectrums, we do not know who are truly innocent or who are offenders.

We also know that men cover and excuse each other, whether that's for a sexually crime or for a financial or other crime.

But good attempt to other and derail the narrative.

You’re deflecting. Talking about a strawman criminal argument

@Thisseasonsdiamante I had children in my twenties and early thirties and I do think it is the right time to be having children biologically. It is still much later than previous generations on average. So I definitely would like to see policies enabling this.

...and this ain't it. They're not proposing supportive benefits for women who have children in early adulthood. They're proposing punitive taxes for women who don't.

It doesn't work that way, I'm afraid. The more you reduce poverty the more old age care is required, the longer state pensions are paid out and the more tax is required. Unwell poorer people die sooner.

if we're doing "what abouts" and imaginging someone's tax band starting slightly higher than someone with children implies many of the far fetched claims on the thread, then we can also what about other things that are actually really happening now. We have a Labour government linked to endless scandals and u-turns and I'm sure we'd welcome from them something as positive as demographics and future society, rather than their endless desire to end lives via the "suicide bill".

Apart from the Mandelson disaster, the dogy looking Chagos deal and zeal to kill us by suicide (if you've followed it closely you'll know how abhorrent the details are that have been proposed and how there would be no protections for the vulnerable), we have many other endless current problems with Labour government and Labour connections. So just did a quick AI search of some of the recent Labour connected scandals (apart from the Mandelson one which is known) are listed below and I really think if you're worried about a blog by someone from 18 months ago but not furious at the Labour links, then you might want to consider if your loyalties really are best placed.

In terms of pending investigations, MP Dan Norris was arrested in April 2025 on suspicion of rape and non-recent child sex offenses and was suspended by the Labour Party.

Labour Peerage Controversy (2026): Matthew Doyle, a long-standing aide to Keir Starmer and former No. 10 head of communications, was suspended from the Labour whip in the House of Lords in February 2026. This followed revelations that he had campaigned for Sean Morton, a former Labour councillor, after Morton had been charged with possessing indecent images of children.

Scottish Labour Suspensions: In early 2026, Scottish Labour suspended MSP Pam Duncan-Glancy and another figure pending investigations into their continued links with Sean Morton after his convictions.

Former peer Lord Ahmed was convicted in January 2022.

Former MPs Paul Clark and Eric Joyce were sentenced for offenses related to indecent images of children in May 2023 and August 2020, respectively.
Former Labour councillor Sean Morton was convicted in 2017 and 2018 for possessing indecent images of children.

Former Newport City Councillor Abdul-Majid Rahman faced convictions in 2022 and February 2025.

Numerous Labour councillors at the local level have also been convicted for offenses involving indecent images of children, including Tom Dewey, Ewan Dillon, and James Shaw. Malcolm Ford, a former councillor and head teacher, was sentenced for child rape.

Also we have the Nick Brown former MP scandal waiting to unravel, which it will, I imagine someone will as the pressure is building and I hope someone on the left shows some leadership and exposes it.

Oh, and Ivor Caplin scandal - arrested last year in a paedophile sting (former minister under Blair) and current cabinet members on his Twitter.

We have the TWAW Labour line. We have Streeting experimenting on children.

We have them calling anyone racist with concerns about what is a sustainable level of immigration and refusing to deal with economic migrants arriving by boat.

We have Lucy Powell dog whistles about grooming gangs. Are people really suggesting Labour have anything to offer?

From this thread it appears that those most extreme about the idea of Reform discussing future demographics are Labour? They also seem to have no concept of society, present or future which is what a tax base is about supporting and encouraging. The tax base isn't there just to provide jobs for people to administrate over etc. it is to protect us and create a healthy society ie to have robust debates without "hating" the other side because of it. That's a healthy society to explore ideas on all sides of politics that we may or may not agree with and explore/develop/disagree. Being tribal on ideas does not equal good outcomes.

Protection of the vulnerable is essential for a healthy society so the idea that disabled people would be valued less under Reform than what is currently being discussed in Parliament by Labour with their suicide bill is ignoring very present dangers for an imaginary unknown. If you want to see Tani Grey-Thompson and Liz Carr and many organisations for more info, they speak passionately on the subject and campaigning against this "assisted dying" bill.

It does seem that Labour has a real issue to look at in who it attracts to work in positions of influence going by the above list. Acknoweledging that would be a start, they can't just sweep it under the carpet. Lots of organisations have had to look inwards about who/why people are motivated to work/join them. I don't see Labour has women or children as a priority.

Tim Allan: A veteran of the New Labour press office, Allan briefly returned to Downing Street as Starmer's Director of Communications in late 2025 but resigned in February 2026 amid the broader fallout from the Lord Mandelson and Matthew Doyle scandals.

You re just getting angry now, hardly a good advert for Reform and the far right is it?

As i said, this is a very dangerous path to go down.

Create better outcomes for families and individuals e.g Better health, Reduce poverty, less people will need care so soon in life.

What about?. What about? Is that your argument? Seriously, I don’t know what more stupid. You wrote this or I took the time to respond

It does become a penalty if you want to increase taxes on the childless to cover the shortfall.

https://metro.co.uk/2026/02/07/reform-candidate-wants-tax-people-dont-children-26761902/

What if their children grow up to be lazy criminal layabouts?