Reform wants women barefoot and pregnant

https://manchestermill.co.uk/goodwins-gang-meet-the-reform-team-in-gorton-and-denton/

I haven't been able to find anything to verify the representation that this is a Reform policy. I'm not sure how Labour think this type of Guardian hyperbole plays out over the longer term for them with information now easily available.

I went to X and Reform's Matt Goodwin - has a true/false and this is more Labour desperation:

"I wrote a blog which summarised the ideas of Dr Paul Morland, a leading expert on demography. Paul set out many policy ideas to try and tackle our demographic crisis. We are not having enough children. I did not advocate specific policies but said we should debate all his ideas. The Left misrepresented this to make it appear I was personally demanding a specific policy. They are trying to mislead you."

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2022699970759999716

I agree with you.

Labour won the 24 GE simply as a function of a protest vote against the Tories. Ironic that Labour will be carried out in similar fashion.

What an abomination of a government this has been - utterly awful.

He's a hateful individual too. We need a real alternative that people can get behind without ruining everyone's lives.

If you mean it's a myth that it stops developing at 25, then sure. It continues to develop beyond that. But the prefrontal cortex does not develop fully until around 25. Thats not a myth. The prefrontal cortex is responsible for decision making and behaviour, so pretty important for it to be developed before having children!!

Please can you cite the section in their manifesto that says that.

No it's not, but they want it to follow the same path.

It actually goes back to the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

I disagree with you. As I am entitled.

The UK is not the US.

Trump was elected in the US fairly. You just don't like him.

If Reform get elected here it will mean that they won the election. You presumably wont vote for them and you don't like them and you are entitled to.

I didnt vote for Labour. I think they are the worst government we have ever had. I think people who voted for them naive as I remembered the actions of Keir Starmer before he was PM. But thats my opinion and Im entitled to have it. Thats the beauty of democracy. We all have one vote each.

Its all a great unknown at the moment but the election is 3 years away and so I wouldnt get your knickers in a twist just yet.

It's not a great unknown. We're getting to watch the programme unfold in real life across the pond. Which is why putting our heads in the sand is not the right strategy. As the saying goes on MN, if they tell you who they are listen. Well, the message from MAGA inc. is being broadcast loud and clear to the world. We'd be fools to ignore it, and worse fools to adhere to it.

What would you like him told off for?

What this forum is frothing at the mouth about what "he said", like the thread title?

Or what he actually said?

Because if it's the latter he has not said anything that he should be disciplined for that I can see. He is a right wing politician in a right wing party, after all.

It started with Farage and that UKIP breaking point poster

So naive. There are so many ways for Reform to get support without a single £ or $ hitting their accounts.

Well, we can see where the money will come from as is and that will be public domain. We are watching in real time the MPs joining the party and who they are. We will be able to read their manifesto when the election comes around. And then we can judge whether we think they will do a good job and if we like their policies. Its all a great unknown at the moment but the election is 3 years away and so I wouldnt get your knickers in a twist just yet.

Yep, Reform are like a reality tv franchise. Not a single original idea.

The courts use case law and statute to determine a case, yes thats right. But they have to follow precedent. Theres been an increase in judge made Law and its a problem. Judges cannot make new laws.

The Human Rights Act has been applied in many circumstances contrary to the intention of the legislators at the time and in ways that is detrimental to the interests of this country. It can be amended or taken off the statute books. But that wont mean we dont have "rights"...we did have rights before Blair. What rights are you particularly worried about being removed?

If you are interested in the UK's political future you should be interested in who/what backs Reform and where its ideology and much of its proposed policies originate from.

Asylum seekers are not in the habit of running away.

Where would you build these detention camps?

Where should we put illegal immigrants so they don't run away?

No, Im interested in UK politics as Im in the UK. I dont subscribe to this obsession many people have here with Trump.

I repeat. We are a different country. We can look at other countries to see whether they have any ideas that have worked to reduce illegal immigration. And then tailor them to thr UK.

Detention camps are already part of Reform's plans to deal with immigration.

As is a UK style ICE

Courts interpret law. Not necessarily only apply it. In Scotland at least, it’s called Case Law. Things can be argued and decisions made. It’s not only applying it. This week’s court decision in England against a UK Government law, is another example .
if we allow the removal of the Human Rights Act, it removes important rights which we all have. That’s fundamentally important

Are you following what's happening in the US? I bring it up -again, yes- because we live in an age where we have access to information 24/7 and we can no longer claim ignorance. There's a lot of disinformation out there but there's also a lot of genuine footage and sources that reveal what's going on. Do you think that the direction of travel over there is something that cannot happen here? The attacks on democratic institutions and human rights that are now reported every single day? There's no 'cry wolf' here. What is happening over there is showing us exactly what's in store for us- maybe with some local tweaks- but by and large that's the type of regime that we can look forward to. I bet you the mid terms won't be free and fair (unless there is such a massive backlash among Republicans that the authoritarian threat is meaningfully contained). What the federal government has been doing with ICE is not about protecting women and girls, it's about wholesale intimidation. Reform have stated supporting an ICE style agency. Tell me they're not following a script! In the meantime, when non-white kids are too scared to leave their homes and go to school, are the Epstein abuse victims getting any justice? No! Of course not! Women's rights are under attack in the US and they will be here in the exact same way. Minority rights are under attack too. The list goes on. And THAT is who is backing Reform.

Oh yes, I agree.

But they would have people of colour interred and doing some sort of forced labour, if they could only get away with it.

Himmler found a way to set up the concentration camps. I see no reason why Reform would not try the same.
100 years almost after Hitler.
Sickening.