Reform wants women barefoot and pregnant

What’s their actual policy?

The data shows a clear correlation between education and support for right wing policies, so that’s a big part of it. We’re also inherently a nation of boot lickers - much greater viability and funding of the monarchy than other countries who retain theirs, historically reluctant to take to the streets or challenge the state, enduring enthusiasm for a ruling class that never had to polish their own shoes. Performance by social comparison - most won’t reach the top so they need to punch down -https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10296337/

Of course I have read history and know how minority groups can be persecuted. But if a state wants to persecute a minority group its able to ignore any laws it wants.

Leaving the ECHR is not a wacky opinion. Its fairly mainstream amd its Conservative policy. Ideally I expect they will hope it can be reformed and there are encouraging noises to that end in Europe.

Exactly. UK citizens should be protected and I agree with that. I think they were under the law before 1998 anyway.

I was going to engage

But the OP posted and ran

No link to policy.

i'm childfree, so I should be worried, but I think this is made up

No. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy.

Am I right to think you do not want to lose your human rights, you just want to deny them to certain groups, eg immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers?

It fits with the support of detention camps.

What point are you trying to make?

Your racism is clear, but you seem occupied by Houdini migrants..

I think it’s ridiculous that once again we have men trying to control our reproductive rights.

I think the issue isn’t having babies, the issue is the broken system that doesn’t even allow people in their 20s to live independently comfortably. Can they fix that please before giving us reasons why we should have kids younger.

I had a kid in my 20s and 30s - and although the economy wasn’t amazing in my 20s I had the amazing sure start, and when my baby was 3, I found an office job and worked my way up. But I didn’t feel doom and gloom about the future because there was a clear pathway.

So it’s got nothing to do with when we have babies, that’s a personal choice, and some of us choose to keep unplanned pregnancies, so sometimes it’s a forced decision. But it’s about who can fix the economy so that there is hope for young people - childfree or not, and making this country a livable place again.

Numerous witnesses reported him repeatedly going back to the prison and being turned away, so I’m not convinced he ‘jumped on a train’.

Of course there are some people working illegally. Welcome to the world. About 95% of small boat arrivals claim asylum, ie don’t ’run away’.

I want to spell out the cruelty that underpins the position which would see a mother separated from her toddler.

didnt quote you for some reason @Pineneedlesincarpet

You’re entitled to any wacky opinion you like, but the reason we have laws is to protect people from an oppressive state, and give them the chance to have their case heard. I assume you’re not from any minority or vulnerable group, have never studied history or experienced unfair treatment if you don’t grasp why that’s important.

And UK citizens do have more rights on some things, but these same laws protect them should the state start to encroach on those rights.

Are you making a substantive point? Its Saturday night...come on dont waste time we all have to be out. What do you want to argue about the right to a family life overriding the right to deport?

Deporting the mother of a tiny child is absolutely inhumane. It boggles the mind how anyone would even consider it to be right.

No. I support illegal immigrants being deported. And I anticipate Labour will have leaving the ECHR as policy too by 2029 if the government is prevented from deporting illegals. The Conservatives already support the policy.

By referring to other countries Im arguing that its not exactly an unusual policy to deport illegals. In fact we are the unusual ones.

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I fucking despair....

I cannot cannot understand how
A. Women are voting for this shit
B. Democrats wont give the ones who wont pretend men are women somewhere /anywhere to go.

My bil and sil voted Republican and surprise surprise now they are family planning (both have doctorate so are smart enough to understand what's happened to womens bodily autonomy and reproductive choices) they want to move to a blue state 🙄

@Pineneedlesincarpet "I mentioned "chicken nuggets case" as an easy and well known reference." 🤔

Also @Pineneedlesincarpet " It does annoy me when people try and persuade people to their own way of thinking about politics by making things up. I thought the fact that the electorate was fed up of lies and spin was well known."

I notice that a lot of the younger people who are against immigration tend to be working class and live in urban areas - obv Reform are also popular with older people too, who often claim to not like the change they've seen over the decades.

On the other hand, I notice that the woke/Leftist view is particularly popular with students, the educated, and middle class people. This is particularly apparent having moved from a graduate job into the construction sector.

I used to think it was perhaps the case that the people who'd experienced a big change in their own communities were more likely to be against it, and certainly you see a lot of comments like "come and live on Birmingham and say that" etc.

However, working in construction for years has taught me that it's people that live in middle class areas and rural places that seem most opposed to development. I can only wonder if a lot of people are all for the virtue signalling so long as migrants aren't housed near them and new housing isn't built in their area.

And yet you support exactly what they're doing over there. I suppose that's what you meant when you mentioned 'other countries'. If your focus is 100% laser-like on the UK, why bring up 'other countries'?

I dont have any interest in the US in particular other than how it directly affects us.

In the US thanks to ICEstapo. Doesn't make it right.

If she did not have rights of residency and tbe state wanted to deport her then yes. That would happen to you and your toddler in most other countries.

Its Conservative policy actually.

And I mentioned "chicken nuggets case" as an easy and well known reference.

I do wish people would argue the point made rather than attribute a political party to what I was arguing. We seem to have lost that ability. It is a contentious issue and surely deserves more than a dismissal of oh "reform".

So you would agree with deporting a non-citizen mum to a toddler for example?

Asylum seekers are not in the habit of running away.

So, all the illegal immigrants found working in hand car washes etc? They want to 'disappear' into the population to avoid deportation. Same as that migrant sex offender that sexually assaulted a 14yo girl who was released by mistake. He quickly jumped on a train.

Thanks @PeppyCoralTiger . @Allisnotlost1 put up screenshots of the paywall blog at 16.52.

Goodwin is certainly extremely enthusiastic about pro natal interventions. He actually lists suggestions that he calls 'policies' that have worked in other countries.

His backtrack is a lie at worst, weasel words at best.