To think male nursery workers should be banned for safety reasons?

If you wanted to compare male and female abuse in childcare settings. (Which is a reasonable thing to do. No point ignoring it.) You'd need to compare the proportion of male and female childcare workers carrying it out. Since far more women work in nurseries than men.

I haven't downplayed anything.
If anything, those supporting men working in nurseries are the ones downplaying things.

So how many children have died in nursery at the hands of men?

downplaying incidents involving women doesn’t help anyone

That makes me feel sick to read, and not knowing whether or not your baby is treated well in these settings is my primary reason for not putting my 12 month old in nursery.

The only difference between this example and male pedophiles working in nurseries is that this is a rare, shocking incident committed by one woman.
Society always find reports this like extremely shocking when these acts are committed by a woman, reason being, it's not as typical for a woman to want to hurt a child.
Unfortunately, pedophilia is less rare, and these men seek out children to abuse.

You'll get crickets around here as soon as you suggest someone stays home with the children for a few small years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-69026072.amp

this tragic case has been widely reported. Focusing on one kind of abuse doesn’t protect children it just feeds stereotypes

Tbh I don't know the statistics for how many women tie down and suffocate the babies in their care but I don't think it happens as regularly as pedophilia. If it was as common, I should think we'd be wary of that too.

I would not ban men from working in nurseries. There are several reasons for my having this view. The first is that the risk of a small child being abused by a male nursery worker is very small. Most people don't refuse to fly because occasionally aeroplanes crash. Second, it's important for children of both sexes to see men as well as women as carers. Third, it weakens the argument for women breaking into traditionally male areas of work if we restrict what men are able to do.

In all honesty, I wouldn’t send my child to a nursery where there was a male nursery worker. Wouldn’t employ a male nanny or childminder. People can be as offended as they like but I agree with you OP.

But as awful as sexual abuse is why are we just focusing on that? There is other awful abuse that sadly can happen is protocol isn’t right.

A baby shouldn’t have been allowed to die because they were left tied down and suffocated. That was at the hands of a female staff member so your ban wouldn’t stop that. Should we ban all women too?

Okay but are you not just skirting around the fact that less children would be sexually abused if men didn't work in nurseries?

Focusing in on just one (awful) form of abuse isn’t the answer because it doesn’t prevent the other abuse that can happen if there aren’t proper safeguarding protocols in place.

If the government really cared they would be reducing (not increasing) the safe ratios and properly funding ‘free’ hours. But even so settings can and should be ensuring basics happen even if it is tricky. We would never dream of changing a child without at least one other adult in line of sight - if that means other children having to be moved to a different activity to make it practical then so be it.

we also need for a lot of people to grow up and stop thinking that raising concerns about something you have seen is “snitching” or in some way negative. Better to raise concerns and be shown wrong than ignore and be shown right.

Yes. It still doesn't change the fact that nurseries aren't comparable and it would be highly unlikely that the law will change to deem nurseries as women only spaces.

Or how other types of abuse exist and will be allowed to continue if safeguarding policies aren't robust and it isn't funded well.

So do you agree that women's 'safe' spaces are such because no men are allowed?

and that is what needs to change. Robust safeguarding, better funding etc and harsh consequences if not stuck to because even if men were banned, children would still be at risk of cruelty, neglect and abuse as things currently stand.

Robust safeguarding should already be in place. Unfortunately, paedophiles (overwhelmingly male) are still able to abuse kids. Yes, in a perfect world, all nurseries would have perfect safeguarding measures in place and able to stick to them, but it’s not a perfect world, they are overstretched and underfunded and children are being abused as a result.

Of course it does.

Robust safeguarding changes would protect children from ALL types of abuse and there wouldn't be any need to challenge gender equality and discrimination laws in the work place and open it up to also target women in the work place.

It doesn’t stereotype childcare as women’s work. If anything it stereotypes men who want to work in nurseries as paedophiles, but I’m ok with that if it protects children, which it would.

Women's toilets aren't work places and are generally seen as safe spaces for women.

Nurseries aren't comparable.

It legally enforces the stereotype. Of course it would make a difference.

Men are statistically more of a risk but the common denominator across all these incidents of SA in early years is lack of robust safeguarding. Better safeguarding including appropriate cctv and the other suggestions on this thread would have reduced the likelihood of these males and females offending. You would think by now all nurseries would have these things in place but obviously not all do. (Also shocking that concerns were raised about this man and were ignored).

Given that most SA happens outside nurseries banning men wouldn’t significantly reduce it overall and would cause more problems for society, but implementing better safeguarding would reduce most of the risk in nurseries.

For a significant number of children, not involved in the child’s life at all.

If there is a stereotype of caring being women’s work, does this mean we need to recruit more men in nurseries?

But childcare is already seen as women’s work, then removing the very small number of male staff would make very little difference, right?

The CCTV should be available on request line an SAR

App is an overreach. And not sure how it work (live-streaming from a dozen different cameras or having multiple TB of footage per day)? Other people’s children would also be visible.

Im just not down with discrimination.