To think male nursery workers should be banned for safety reasons?

What the actual fuck are you chatting about 🤦‍♀️

Yes. The point I was making is that elderly men who require personal care very often prefer to be cared for by women carers.

I think the idea that the risk to children dramatically decreases as soon as a child is verbal is simplistic and naive. Many children, teenagers and in fact adults don’t report sexual abuse for all sorts of reasons. Around a third don’t tell anyone, probably higher at primary school age.

Teenagers are at far higher risk of sexual abuse than younger children. The NSPCC says over 10x higher risk. So there would be more logic to banning men from working with teenagers than young children.

I don’t think we should ban men from working with children at all but banning them from early years settings would almost certainly open up a debate about primary schools/ coaching / care for older children etc. And why would a man train as a primary school teacher just after men had been banned from working with children just a few months younger. It would absolutely cast doubt on the intentions of any man choosing to work with children.

And I really wouldn’t want my sons to grow up in a society which considers them so dangerous that they can’t have contact with young children. I think that’s likely to cause far more problems than a ban on men working with children would solve.

I would never leave anyone I didn’t know on a complete 1-1 basis with a child because of the safeguarding risks.

Personally I only had a very small pool of people who I let look after DS who I was a sure as possible where safe (male and female)

Yes. SEN children or even just any occasional accidents when they have just started Reception at 4.

No, horrible idea and a slippery slope, reinforcing that caring professions are just for women and removing male role models. Better safeguarding is what’s needed. My son is in nursery and I wish they had some male carers.

I don’t believe safeguarding was followed here - can’t believe he didn’t have a record

My DC have a male babysitter. He is actually a nursery worker, used to be my DC's keyworker.

No issues at all.

It’s on a par

wrong message to ban men - really important not to send this message that only women can look after children - puts us back in the dark ages

people need to pay what it costs so that safeguarding can be followed - and not whinge about it!!!

Nobody is saying all male carers and teachers are a risk. But its pointless to deny they don't ask an overall group pose more risk.
Have a look at child care worker Joshua Dale Brown facing 156 charges including rape, producing and transmitting child abuse material, sexual assault, beastiality, and giving contaminated milk given to an infant. Over 2000 children that attended childcares he worked at had to be tested for STIs - so maybe put yourself in the position of the parents of those 2000 children before you call people small minded for wanting to protect children from sick and disturbing individuals such as this man.

Some TA's will.

You've got that completely the wrong way round. Nursery workers aren't left alone with young children. Safeguarding rules would not allow that. Much more likely that a male relative would be left alone with a child.

There should be a risk base assessment- opportunity, age of children.

Exactly. All hell would break loose.

Problem with only changing child in line of sight of another adult is the children being changed have no privacy (as realistically early years settings can’t afford to have enough staff for two to go out of the main room to change them). That’s not right either - and would mean having to ban parents from ever entering the room which is itself a risk and as a parent I’d be wondering what they were trying to hide.

Male workers generally are great in early years - at least in my experience and banning them would send the wrong message.

In every case I can recall being reported in news, lack of safeguarding was the issue -particularly in it going on for a long period- in that people didn’t report suspicions or there were unsafe practices (eg iPad should never be taken to changing room, phones banned, references need to be followed up)