Let me spell this out very clearly for the hard of thinking

Oh gee, another "We hate men" Mumsnet thread. It's at least 11 hours since I clicked on one. Am kind of confused why MNHQ hasn't created a "We hate men" topic, would be so popular, could really concentrate the vitriol.

Do you actually tell your daughter “be wary of men” @RichardOnslowRoper ?

Oh. I have a DD too. And I teach her to be wary of men. She has already been groped, filmed and harassed enough to know that. SE London, takes the Tube daily, travels solo and went backpacking, often in less safe parts of the world..

Not to think that all men are violent, but enough to be cautious. But not to cower at home.

And it’s not a women’s site but a parenting site which supports the parenting of girls and boys. I for one do not want my sons and daughters growing up in a world where they are taught the majority of men are violent- they’re not.

3%!!!! Yes it’s 3% that commit violent crime. Yes that is 3% too many but let’s keep it in perspective shall we.

I am not writing off anyone. I have a son.

But the men you cite as victims are also attacked by other men! Not women.
It is very important to recognise male violence as a huge problem.
If a women's site can't recognise this without NAMALTing, I have no hope for the world in general.

Let’s keep this into perspective shall we.

Only 3.1% of men commit violent crime and although men offend more than women it’s often a repeat-offending group of males, rather than a large portion of the general male population. While men are more likely to be perpetrators of violence, they are also more likely to be victims of violent crime committed by strangers.

In short, the overwhelming majority of men are NOT perpetrators of violent crime.

So let’s remember that before we write off boys and men in our lives.

The best thing our sons can have in childhood are positive male role models in their lives. Men who can bond with them and guide them.

Ok I see. although these children are still our sons. Collectively. Our male children.

The children of mums on Mumsnet are experiencing MH issues, are ND and have macho, sometimes abusive fathers. There may be drug abuse in the family.. So perhaps we could do more to prevent us raising all these murderers and rapists. This doesn't mean women are responsible but it means maybe there are things mothers can do. I'm NOT saying women are causing boys to turn into criminals. I'm saying perhaps mums can help reduce the statistics.

Lucky you. NAMALT so I hope you never meet one who is because they live amongst us despite what you want to believe.

Today's Scotland Sunday Post. The most dangerous place for a woman to be is her own home.
It is, of course, very important to keep repeating how lovely our own husbands, dads, sons, brothers are, over and over again, like some mantra so men's feelings won't be hurt.

I didn’t ignore the difference as non significant, it’s a significant increase but still statistically small. I acknowledge your point on the overall calculation but my point, which is that these crimes are overwhelming committed by men but by an overwhelming minority of men, stands. Anyway, have a lovely Sunday…I’m spending mine with my extremely non violent husband, father, FIL, BIL and their respective families.

I think (hope?) the "What about Myra Hindly?" comments are more of a bite-back at people making sweeping generalisations than an attempt to dispute or obscure the general point, that men are responsible for the majority of violent/sexual offences.

I think it's also worth remembering that people who are new to these discussions online (or in general) are potentially going to take things a lot more literally.

Nuance and tone is often lost online, and it doesn't help when terms like 'hard of thinking' are being thrown around. It's confrontational and immediately puts people on the defensive.

People might be more likely to offer their thoughts and opinions on where we can go from here as a society if threads were started in a way that encouraged input, rather than 'spelling things out for the hard of thinking'.

Yeah, they're largely poverty/addiction fueled offences, with short sentences. Women account for the majority of these sentences.

This despite the fact that it's generally agreed short sentences do more harm than good. Women serving short sentences for this type of crime actually have higher recidivism rates than their male equivalents.

Maybe we can do something to stop our sons turning into murderers and rapists.

No, we do not agree. Firstly, you made a category error. Snapshot data is not prevalence. Secondly, you mistake the tenfold difference as non-significant. Prevalence implies both frequency and impact. Impact multiplies disproportionately, given the likelihood that 'victims per perpetrator' is a compound calculation.

Sorry 😕 my bad 👀🚩
I confused you with another poster who was demanding numbers

So still an overwhelming minority then, albeit a smaller minority. Glad we agree.

Sorry , I’m truly struggling to understand your comment, , since I asked what before?, I wasn’t even trying to disagree with the statistics, just presenting the fact that a very small minority of such attacks are female led and it’s clearly wrong to suggest that every single mass shooting/ sexual assault is by males. Don’t get me wrong, their behaviour sickens me as much as any woman on here, but you simply can’t make out statements that aren’t 100 % factual are

Sex not gender

Sex is female or male

Gender is stereotypical conduct expected from either sex based on the social environment and cultural tradition.

And some nice husbands and nice brothers and nice Dads are violent and/or violent rapists just every single one of them.

The UK produces crime stats.

Absolutely made me laugh out loud.

Yes I've missed the point of the thread.

But my husband’s nice and I met a mean woman once, so that disproves everything

"So that means 0.12% of men will be convicted of a violent crime"

No it doesn't. It means 0.12% of men were in prison for a violent crime on a certain date (you should have corrected for remand awaiting conviction too). You need lifetime prevalence for your argument. It should also include non-custodial disposals (killed in the incident, mental health detention, served time on remand, alternatives to custody etc). Then you can extrapolate to undetected and unreported incidents. I suspect your 0.36% might be out by a factor of 10.

Yeah,
In my experience the actually decent men tend to "get it" and aren't offended by suggestions that they avoid acting creepy by, for example, not sitting right next to a woman on an otherwise empty train.

It's the ones who shut down every discussion on sexual violence with a "what about my feelings" that are Sus. Or who talk about all this "hysteria over sexual violence against women" with convicted paedophiles. It very rarely turns out to be about preserving the feelings of innocent men.

Hit dogs hollor in other words.