To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

I don't need to get back to anything as I wasn't having a conversation with you that I can recall? 🤔

Well exactly my point, but OP doesn't care about that, strangely.

You're the one who took it off it off topic.

And quite how you think you know the sex of random posters on the internet is beyond me

Let's get back to the question. What do you see as so very 'hateful' about people acknowledging that this person is a man and he clearly had serious mental health issues?

And yet I know of many more than one! On this thread even. Are you going to get defensive and drawn off topic from arguing for the right to discuss people's murders so ghoulishly soon? 😂

I can think of one poster who fits this description.

Not 'half the posters' 🙄

Not a ridiculous or laughable claim at all, just my lived experience of why I rarely read or post in FWR anymore as many posters I assumed were female admitted (after partaking in many discussions with women about sensitive issues) to be male and couldn't understand why they would be expected to self declare as male on here 🤷🏻‍♀️ were you under the impression that men who care about the GC cause would feel the need to declare their sex out of courtesy? Cos they don't think that.

Where’s your proof of this? Ridiculous, laughable claim.

So now we - real, biological women - are not even assumed to be women online, but men? Even though most of our arguments are centred on worries regarding violent men and their impact on women and children?

The CPS records male criminals as female if they choose. This conceals male crime stats and makes it harder to formulate the national crime strategy.

The ONS bowed to the trans lobby and messed up its questions so badly in the Census that the data has been declared invalid

and The Guardian, well The Guardian has been publishing anti women/pro gender ideology articles for ages. They hounded out an excellent female journalist for writing honestly about women’s rights and repeatedly publish articles that are pro dangerous medication for individuals with m/h issues and claim that people can change sex (they can’t).

So no, your sources are not good enough.

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female.

What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.

As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.
And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.
I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

Just adding to Hoardasaurass's post:

This was a question answered in Parliament in 23 December 2024:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024
Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

Just a note on this:

Regarding the % of male prisoners in UK with transgender identities. The mentioned above for the year ending 31 March 2024 had the figure that 151 of the 243 male prisoners in the UK prisons had at least one sex offence on their record.

The ratio changed from 43.3% (88/203) having at least one sex offence to their name at 31 March 2023 to 151/243 to 62.1% as at 31 March 2024.

The increase of the overall number of male prisoners with transgender identities in the UK prisons between 2023 and 2024 was only 42 yet the increase in the sex offenders was 63.

In 2019, there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders. I haven’t looked up the stats since. But I wouldn’t expect this will be different. Last time I looked at the raw stats for female sex offences, they had remained stable numbers for a decade or more despite population growth.

For male people with transgender identities to have the same rate of committing sex offences, there would be 8 (3.3% of 243) prisoners with trans identities in the UK prison population with sex offences.

8
Not 151.

And if someone tries to suggest that the majority of these male prisoners have declared that they are women to gain access to the female prisons, I doubt this is true.

Considering the sex crime numbers for that prison population jumped from 88 to 151 male prisoners with a sex offence that declared they were women in a year (31 March 2024 to 31 March 2024) AFTER the publishing of the guidance in early February 2023, I seriously doubt these new prisoners are making declarations for the benefit of getting into the female prison.

I will post the numbers in another post.

Focusing on the criminal is necessary to be preventative.

You're not wrong OP, it's ghoulish. You'll get a million comments about policing women's voices which wouldn't be ironic if half the posters spouting it weren't men hoping to pass as women on here 😂

So CPS, office of statistics, Guardian none quite good enough are they in your rush to whip up hate
Just talking about the Guardian, which has a lementable record on Gender issues.
And no, i'm not going to provide links.
I'll leave it up to you to provide an article that isn't a tissue of lies.

Par for the course, a man kills 8 people and of course men try and blame it on the women of Mumsnet. Plus ça change…

Being such a fan of the ONS, I would have thought you would have acknowledged the prisoner numbers convicted of sex offences per 1 million population in the census that @Hoardasurass posted.

the numbers of convicted sex offenders in prison in E&W:

women - 3 per million pop

men who don’t identify as women - 395 per million pop

”trans women” - 1916 per million pop

Funny that those figures don't mention hate crimes against women oh yeh we're not protected because it would shut the justice system down.
Also zero trans murders in Scotland ever yet off the top of my head I can think of 6 currently in Scottish jails for torture and/or murder. Then we have the rapists and sexual abusers more than a dozen known of still in jail and more back out and free to offend again.
Would you like me to start naming names?

So we can’t talk on a British forum about the perpetrator of a crime and how this indicates how trans identifying male murderers are becoming a serious problem? Right.

How long do we get according to you??

Because this all sounds like another way of telling women to STFU when we raise concerns about violent males

What anti-trans hatred is being spewed exactly? Can you be specific? Is it because we say men can’t be women? Or because we say trans identifying male shooters are a serious problem? Because if you think the truth is hateful then I don’t really know what to say

The hyprocrisy is startling.

Did you read the reports that you are posting as evidence to back your soundbite?

This is 'hate crime' information.

Again, hate crime can be considered to be tweets and misgendering.

I posted part of what hate crimes cover up thread.

Also, female people cannot report 'hate crimes'. Can you imagine what the headlines would be if female people could report misogyny as a hate crime?

Interesting how they bundled actual violence and harassment together, wonder why? I imagine the figure for women for harassment for being women would be close to 100%.

Zero because sex isn't a hate crime metric nor is misogyny infact women as a group are the only vulnerable group not to be protected by hate crime legislation.
Anyone guess why

This is also using the Crime Survey which is not police reporting, it is self reported. The report it self states that they had 63 respondents in 2020. For example, in 2025, 75,000 families took part in the Crime Survey
for England & Wales.

The report itself states that 63 respondents is very limited in usability.

Do you actually read what you post? Or do you take in sound bites of information and never question it?