To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

Since 2000 in the UK there have been 39 murders/manslaughter convictions and 8 attempted murder convictions of trans identifying individuals. Almost all of these born male. There is a list of these convictions.

Since 2000 there has been a total of 9 trans people (several born female) murdered (UK).

There is no actual evidence of your repeated claims. Compare:

Several police forces placed ads on social media urging men who identify as women to report ‘misgendering’ as a hate crime. Stickers with “Woman = Adult Human Female” have been counted in the ‘hate crime’ statistics, as have ribbons tied to a fence (a woman was arrested and taken to court over that).

If crimes against trans people were genuinely so prevalent the police wouldn’t be advertising to generate more.

Compared with:
several police forces have objected to the inclusion of Sex (ie. women) as a protected strand in hate crime laws on the grounds that they wouldn’t be able to cope with the vast numbers involved.

Also consider the case of nurse Jennifer Melle. She referred to a male patient as ‘Mr’ and ‘he’ while talking to a doctor about his treatment. He (a violent convicted sex offender) tried to attack her physically and repeatedly called her the N word.

Or the female patient (who had previously been raped do was nervous of being vulnerable around men) had her operation fir a life threatening bowel condition summarily cancelled by the hospital because she requested that a trans identifying male nurse was not to attend her while she was unconscious. He had already been behaving in a concerning way towards her.

Or the female patient raped on a hospital ward by a trans identifying male and the hospital staff lied to the police to protect him for a whole year.

This list is endless and demonstrates the current balance of power between women’s safety being totally subordinate to the wishes of men who identify as trans.

Your claims are demonstrably false.

The studies showing the effects on the brain are deeply concerning, I agree.

Don't forget the people campaigning like mad to produce a generation of people who are legally 16 or 18, but physically 12 (and remember that puberty blockers arrest parts of brain development too; such people wouldn't even be fully mentally 16 or 18).

Who benefits from that?

I would really like to know who benefits in society from misinformation being spread and accepted as fact and as being accurate?

Maybe some of those people judging and demonising others will tell us. If misinformation is allowed to spread unchallenged and continues to propagate and become embedded, how does this benefit the victims and their families?

So what is it that you want, OP? You want women to just not mention that the shooter was trans? Or did you just want the opportunity to sneer at us/chide us/accuse us?

Most people don't like transwomen criminals being referred to by police and press as women. It's not just ridiculous, it's a lie, and leads to mistrust. When the news came out about a massacre carried out by 'a female in a dress', most people will have instantly questioned it. This only harms trans people because it actually draws attention to them in a jarring way, through the original lie being discussed and debunked, and people objecting to it.

I really couldn’t care less .You can take offence all you like but the fact remains trans people are 2-4% to be the victims of serious crimes with the vast majority having experienced harassment and violence. The way your frothing and outrage takes precedence over a human tragedy speaks volumes.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

They aren't though are they? It's the quickest attack aimed at people who might not be as GC as others "oh you're a man!" But everytime one of the regulars gets outed as a man it's no big deal and the women who are uncomfortable at those men participating in threads under a username that doesn't make their sex clear is the problem, which wouldn't be ironic if you weren't so quick to accuse anyone else of being a man. Oh and none of the men who have been told they make women uncomfortable for not having a username that makes their sex more obvious have actually complied with that to make women more comfortable either have they 🤔

Absolutely this. We should not be wasting our time wondering what may have led a 'young woman' to carry out this crime. We should not be going down the blind alley of questioning what it could be about being a young woman that could have led to this. To believe it may indicate a pattern of behaviour to which young women may be at risk. To target preventative interventions towards young women in the hope of reducing risk, when the committal of this crime has absolutely nothing at all to do with young women.

Which posters on here are men? I'd like to know.

Don't forget the mushroom farm in Cumbernauld!

It'd be funny if it weren't actually so wrong.

Some people have nurtured grievance and encouraged and urged reporting of the most minor nonsense, to try and manipulate the stats.

Despite their best efforts, race and disability are by far the most recorded/reported characteristics wrt hate crimes. And a police spokesperson noted the increase in reports of minor incidents was behind the majority of what was reported as a surge in 'trans' related hate crime.

Its like some people never heard the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Although every so often it's worth giving it a go it's usually a waste of time posting on anything like this, because although the transphobic lot are a minority (look at the number of votes on any trans relating post), they can't bear even the slightest empathy with trans people and therefore pile on any post that does so.

And let's be clear they don't care about victims - if they did they'd listen to the relatives speaking out who are very clear this is not about trans people.
Also people should beware of those on here who set themselves up as 'experts' while sharing so called resources from various right wing you tubers and orgs.

Pretty sure one of them will be along any minute with another bit of disinformation and 'just asking questions', while shoehorning racism, homophobia and anything else bigoted they can get in.

Why would anyone engage with them - in the real world they report losing friends and colleagues and it's easy to see why! It's so funny that they think they're 'shining sunlight' when as they post more and more it's clear that they're not interested in women's rights.

Thank you so not a ridiculous and outlandish claim then, glad we can agree. I'm not willing to engage further with your questions because I'm not in the mood, again you have this insistence of thinking i'm telling you things when you're actually just making up arguments you believe I hold so you can argue against them, and I'm not interested. I'm sure you'll read something else into this, but maybe you could keep it to yourself as I'm not giving you anymore time or attention ☺️

That's simply not true and you know it given you could think of one poster who fits that description that you're aware of

It is true, I can think of one poster who fits your description of having a user name that doesn't make it obvious they are a man and who didn't volunteer that information.

I can think of many more who are definitely are not GC and come on to goad. Go have a look, they are plentiful.

And you are happy to tell us we are 'ghoulish' for talking about media lying, but not willing to tell us when we are allowed to bring up media lying. That reads to me like you want us all to simply ignore the media lying.

That's simply not true and you know it given you could think of one poster who fits that description that you're aware of yet you find it unr adorable that others are aware of more on.a forum where you agree it's impossible to be confident of everyone sex but wanna assume most are women 🤔

When do you think we are allowed to point out that the media are publishing blatant lies?

Already said I'm not interested in you deflecting with random questions, why do you think I want to talk to you despite me telling you I'm not? It seems even the female posters are developing a male sense of entitlement..😂

Well I'm sure there are males on FWR, males are allowed to post on here. Most of those males are not on the GC side however.

When do you think we are allowed to point out that the media are publishing blatant lies?

Me too

Putting words in my mouth again I seem I agreed with OP I think the jumping on this incident so soon is ghoulish. Just cos I didn't say something you're accusing me of that doesn't mean you get to do the same again. Happy you agree that there are males on FWR and you're aware of them posting under usernames that conceal their sex.

No I'm do e engaging with you (repeating this now!) please don't be a man who refuses to accept a no 😁