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To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

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Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 06:34

I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

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Blu3Shoes · 15/02/2026 19:32

DifferentNameForQuestion · 15/02/2026 18:50

The killer was trans.

The alleged killer of Charlie Kirk was in a relationship with someone who said they were trans.

What does this say about trans young people who might need mental health help rather than pretending to be in the 'wrong body.

These issues needs looking at.

And now you’re weaponising trans children- again!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0k1vkmxgd6o

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Catiette · 15/02/2026 19:27

I can't find the threads the OP's describing.

I looked for threads that are

  • hate-filled
  • full of diatribes
  • have zero thoughts for the victims
  • extremist
  • harassing

and have come up with nothing.

I have found several threads that engage in quite strongly felt discussion about the ethics and societal implications of issuing potentially misleading witness reports, misreporting on male and female perpetrators, and recording inaccurate crime statistics. The focus of each of these areas is largely concern for public, and particularly women's, safety. Posters acknowledge some very difficult statistical realities about offending patterns in predominantly calm analysis of potential implications of and learning points from this, and include empathy for the victims. There are also expressions of concern for trans youth. There are some posts I find distasteful in them, I don't like the title of one, and I can also see the argument that the whole subject should be avoided at this time, although I personally disagree with this - I think the issue is too important.

The point is, though, I can't find anything that's as the OP describes.

If anything, of all my skimming in the past few minutes, the post that was most vitriolic (such a popular word on here, and so rarely accurately applied) and, as such, that came closest to demonising a whole demographic was, well... the OP's own.

I've also skimmed a bit further into this thread, and most replies supporting the approach of discussing the issues above openly seem very measured and respectful. In the proportionately few responses across the opening pages that support the OP, in contrast, I've seen the suggestion that such people are lying ("faux concern"), "gleeful" in their responses the crime (that's just unpleasant, frankly, and highly unlikely thank goodness) - and the similarly unpleasant description of some people as just being irrevocably "ugly inside" (I mean, wow...)

OP (and others), you're not going to convince the fence-sitters by misrepresenting what's happening here so obviously - and doing so in language that's, ironically, far closer to what you're accusing other posters of, than most of their own posts actually use.

Whether these issues should be discussed is an interesting debate, but it seems to be going on without you. In fact, I just fast-forwarded to read your last, and in the midst of more fairly chunky analysis and debate, see from yourself yet another few lines with the words "your rush to whip up hate" and "awful persecution of a vulnerable group". (Apologies for not having checked if you were referring to a particular post/er directly before your own that really fits this description - we do sometimes see them - but based on my reading so far, it seems unlikely).

FrippEnos · 15/02/2026 19:13

Probably too late to the thread but @Blu3Shoes Why would this boy go one a killing spree when by all accounts he is in one of the safest countries for trans people?

Canada is, by all accounts, on of the biggest supporters of trans people. To the extent that they no only affirm children but also are happy for a man to wear obscenely large flase breasts to teach children.

So why did he go on the killing spree?

Also whats with the no debate BS? I had thought that the TRAs had got past that but it seems not.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 15/02/2026 18:50

The killer was trans.

The alleged killer of Charlie Kirk was in a relationship with someone who said they were trans.

What does this say about trans young people who might need mental health help rather than pretending to be in the 'wrong body.

These issues needs looking at.

DifferentNameForQuestion · 15/02/2026 18:42

TaffetaPhrases · 13/02/2026 06:40

It’s a mental health catastrophe that isn’t being addressed and these events are the outcomes.

So YES, we will talk about it thanks.
.

This.

Trans is a mental health catastrophe and needs addressing.

Pretending you are the opposite sex because you don't like being the sex you are, your body etc is not the answer. No wonder some young people are incredibly mixed up.

ThatCyanCat · 15/02/2026 18:03

FlorbelaEspanca · 15/02/2026 16:32

This would not have been an issue had news outlets not said the crime was committed by a woman. Impossible to complain at protests against that unless you - absurdly and offensively - believe it really was.

If the media had been reporting that the killer was black, nobody would be self righteously declaring people "despicable" and accusing them of "hijack" for noting that he wasn't and objecting to it being recorded that way.

They do it here, and pompously claim moral high ground over it, because as always, they know who the women are.

FlorbelaEspanca · 15/02/2026 16:32

This would not have been an issue had news outlets not said the crime was committed by a woman. Impossible to complain at protests against that unless you - absurdly and offensively - believe it really was.

Helleofabore · 15/02/2026 16:18

Here we are OP, a most recent article by another woman who has had a crime recorded against her name for misgendering. She also noted that in Court this week, the ex-police officer doing this as part of harassment of those who disagree that male people can be female people how many people he has been doing this to for over five years.

https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/p/lynsay-watson-we-meet-at-last

So, OP, when you start linking up reports about hate, maybe you really should look at what is being reported and discuss the relevant figures and the statistical significance and what it all means if you want anyone to believe you.

Having an understanding also about NHCIs and what gets recorded and reported as ‘crimes’ would also help.

When correctly identifying a person’s sex is considered sufficient to have a crime recorded against someone’s name often without that person even knowing that crime has been recorded as is the case with Helen Joyce and some other women, it puts your claims into perspective.

Are there some horrific attacks on people who have transgender identities? I am sure there are and there should be action taken to prevent those if possible.

Can you trust the soundbites that you have repeated and linked to? Not without drilling further down and understanding where those figures are drawn from and what the official body reporting the figures is covering and what they are detailing.

Lynsay Watson: we meet at last

Unmasking the (trans-identifying) Man of Mystery

https://www.thehelenjoyce.com/p/lynsay-watson-we-meet-at-last

Helleofabore · 15/02/2026 04:43

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/02/2026 04:34

And someone actually stated that our view on gender identity ideology is the minority one 😂 when this poll and every other one shows that to be a lie. As truthy as Jolyon Maugham.

That was a laughable claim. I did wonder if the poster was spoofing.

But then again, recently I have seen at least one poster define ‘anti-trans’ in such a way that Supreme Court and High Court judges describing and applying the law fall into that category labelled ‘anti-trans’. Those judges are probably falling into the category of extremist too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/02/2026 04:34

And someone actually stated that our view on gender identity ideology is the minority one 😂 when this poll and every other one shows that to be a lie. As truthy as Jolyon Maugham.

Helleofabore · 15/02/2026 04:34

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/02/2026 04:25

As @Helleofabore says this thread was specifically set up to bully and sneer at other MN posters, so it’s a complete DARVO. As ever.

Maybe it never occurred to them Eresh?

Helleofabore · 15/02/2026 04:31

nolongersurprised · 15/02/2026 04:18

Tribalism characterised by the use of slogans, not arguments.

Yep.

We have seen the outcome though on this very thread too. Where the OP has shown the tendency to reject any point made by organisations or people they aren’t politically aligned with while completely unquestioning soundbites repeated by media that they do politically align with. The result is they are left unable to defend those soundbites. Because they never thought further than the face value statements the soundbites make.

That is the thing about tribalism. Outsourcing your critical analysis to only sources matching your political leanings about a political issue doesn’t give you any real depth of knowledge. But I guess it might make you feel righteous enough to start such a thread as this one.

nolongersurprised · 15/02/2026 04:29

Helleofabore · 15/02/2026 04:19

What is remarkable nolongersurprised, is that I have seen at least two different user names (I suspect three, including the OP) posting effectively one of the OP’s same worded complaints over three different threads.

But then, I find it remarkable also that a poster would start a thread specifically to target a group of other posters that the poster doesn’t agree with to bully, name call and demonise and to invite others to join in that bullying, name calling and demonisation. While feeling virtuous doing so.

Quiet day on Reddit?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/02/2026 04:25

As @Helleofabore says this thread was specifically set up to bully and sneer at other MN posters, so it’s a complete DARVO. As ever.

Helleofabore · 15/02/2026 04:19

nolongersurprised · 15/02/2026 03:46

To be fair, I’m exaggerating. 6/26 posts by the OP use the phrase “whip up hate”, but it was used in 3 consecutive posts, with a “frothing” added for variety. We’ve had several “anti-trans” and a few “bullies”.

just waiting now for “far-right”.

What is remarkable nolongersurprised, is that I have seen at least two different user names (I suspect three, including the OP) posting effectively one of the OP’s same worded complaints over three different threads.

But then, I find it remarkable also that a poster would start a thread specifically to target a group of other posters that the poster doesn’t agree with to bully, name call and demonise and to invite others to join in that bullying, name calling and demonisation. While feeling virtuous doing so.

nolongersurprised · 15/02/2026 04:18

Helleofabore · 15/02/2026 04:02

Others have mentioned far right on this thread. Apparently, we should only read /watch the media that is fully aligned with our political leanings.

The tribalism of such statements never seems to occur to those who make such statements. Nor the fact that it is a recipe for ignorance.

Imagine never reading media outside your political leanings and thinking it is a good thing.

Tribalism characterised by the use of slogans, not arguments.

Helleofabore · 15/02/2026 04:02

Others have mentioned far right on this thread. Apparently, we should only read /watch the media that is fully aligned with our political leanings.

The tribalism of such statements never seems to occur to those who make such statements. Nor the fact that it is a recipe for ignorance.

Imagine never reading media outside your political leanings and thinking it is a good thing.

nolongersurprised · 15/02/2026 03:46

To be fair, I’m exaggerating. 6/26 posts by the OP use the phrase “whip up hate”, but it was used in 3 consecutive posts, with a “frothing” added for variety. We’ve had several “anti-trans” and a few “bullies”.

just waiting now for “far-right”.

2021x · 15/02/2026 02:27

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 06:34

I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

I started one of the threads that you are speaking about.

In my option nothing I said was anti-trans can you explain to me how I am wrong… i.e is asking for the national press to report accurate information anti-trans.?

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 14/02/2026 23:47

Helleofabore · 14/02/2026 17:09

Not to derail, but it might be interesting to see if reported hate crimes and NCHIs drop in number now that one of the very prolific reporters has been arrested.

https://x.com/wingsscotland/status/2022650961827856483?s=46

Good point!! He seemed to make harassing people using the police his life’s work after getting the sack from the police.

nolongersurprised · 14/02/2026 22:44

ArabellaScott · 14/02/2026 13:48

So what is it that you want, OP? You want women to just not mention that the shooter was trans? Or did you just want the opportunity to sneer at us/chide us/accuse us?

The OP just wanted to use the phrase “whip up hate” about 20 times.

It just makes me think I should fill the baking tins this weekend.

Helleofabore · 14/02/2026 22:35

“although the transphobic lot are a minority (look at the number of votes on any trans relating post”

I find this claim fascinating.

Either this claim is completely detached from the reality that is probably almost every poll on issues relating to single sex provisions posted on AIBU and this very thread or there is ambiguity here about what is and isn’t transphobic.

I have never seen a poll on MN, and no recent independently conducted neutrally worded opinion poll either, that has supported male people being treated as if they were female for access to single sex provisions, that has not supported female only single sex provisions. Or recently language around issues impacting female people.

Maybe the poster is referring to something other than those polls on MN?

Petrolitis · 14/02/2026 20:38

Blu3Shoes · 14/02/2026 07:29

I really couldn’t care less .You can take offence all you like but the fact remains trans people are 2-4% to be the victims of serious crimes with the vast majority having experienced harassment and violence. The way your frothing and outrage takes precedence over a human tragedy speaks volumes.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

There you go, the truth.

This tra OP couldn't care less about women.

The mask always slips.

ArabellaScott · 14/02/2026 19:59

And here are the 2024 stats for hate crime - mea culpa, second to race is sexual orientation, not disability.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2024/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2024

Helleofabore · 14/02/2026 17:44

Here are some examples of what the statistics for hate crimes against transgender people cover.

Jennifer Swayne, arrested on her mobility scooter for putting up a poster.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61111160.amp

Here is a woman in Hebden Bridge questioned for a ‘hate incident’ because she took a photo of a sticker saying “keep males out of women-only spaces”,

https://archive.is/YYdWM

Another woman arrested for Tweets and ribboning

www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/activist-marion-millar-charged-with-sending-homophobic-and-transphobic-tweets-5293jhg6v?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqeEMCNAhV1mOxxUXLSjCFkGQ2b5lugivROoPbLX25eGUXBlk9H866iz&gaa_ts=6990b2ea&gaa_sig=FOHWKc4FP8FqRQwBIneZMZKYgsMiSNhV6ANGYF986Js2_Uaj0-O48PXg-E9iXVtyKzOJihHpb8MeAkNCHS0a9w%3D%3D

And another woman

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-hate-crime-probe-after-22563314.amp

Misgendering tweets

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-47638527.amp

A women’s rights activist questioned after a report to police about her video that was ‘untoward about pedophiles’

https://reduxx.info/uk-womens-rights-campaigner-visited-by-police-for-being-untoward-about-pedophiles/

Then there was a female prison who spent extra time in prison due to complaints that she ‘misgendered’ a male prisoner.

https://archive.is/a82Ke

There are others, some went to court as well.

I mean if we just followed the list of people Lynsey Watson reported or was involved in reporting and the number of people Hayden reported it is also long.

When people post about the increase in hate crimes against transgender people, it is really important to understand what that report entails.

I think what ended up slowing down the reports was this though.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68712471.amp

The people who reported JK Rowling for hate crime.

Mum in hate crime probe after pro-JK Rowling stickers amid trans rights row

EXCLUSIVE: Officers spoke to Suzy Ireson, 51, after she put a post about the slogans on Facebook after trans activists accused her of trying to stoke hatred by posting the stickers

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-hate-crime-probe-after-22563314.amp