To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

Yes, boys were killed, by a fellow male so mentally unstable he thought he was a female, and it would be recorded as a female crime.

That should make any reasonable person furious yet here you are using it as an opportunity to bore on about alleged trans hate. Im embarassed for you.

Ah yes of course.

I have to say it does tickle me that, although a huge gender critical anti-misogynist movement started on MN about 12 years ago, people STILL come on whining about “TERFs” and “Stop being hateful-uh” thinking they will be the ones to silence us.
Obviously thinks that MN is full of middle class dummies who only talk about baking and school shoes
Unfortunately for you OP, this forum has intelligent women concerned for women’s rights and we aren’t prepared to pretend that the Emporer is wearing no clothes. You don’t scare us by accusing us of being meanies. We are smarter than you are and know more of this subject. So no we won’t STFU. We will continue to talk until the cancer that is gender ideology, that is demonstrably SO harmful, is stamped out of normality.

That is very different from the image of itself that Canada projected until recently.

Don't disregard hunting culture with regard to availability of guns.

Edited for clarity

What are you banging on about?

Are we supposed to ignore the fact that trans identifying males are hugely over represented as school shooters? Who does that serve?

Yes they are

If a bear, affected by an illness exacerbated by eating drugs, had killed ten people in a small Canadian town, talking about the bear and what had happened to it would not be showing disrespect to the victims. If there had been an increase in this sort of bear attack in North America over the last decade, talking about that would be reasonable.

If the media started describing the dangerous animal as a moose, complaining about that would also be reasonable.

Something very dangerous has been happening. Denying that will not make it go away.

And it wouldn't be anti-bear, though it might be (justifiably) bear-phobic.

I would guess that the proximity to the US means there are more guns in circulation than the UK, but it’s my speculation.

This is not about persecuting this is about making sure everyone knows this is not a crime committed by a woman. Not. Our. Crime.

I just looked up intentional homicide rates. UK is 1 per 100,000 people, Canada is 2. So Canada has twice the UK's rate.

Try AliExpress, that’s where I get mine at 100 per pack.

Excuse me?

We've spent a decade warning people that affirmation and no exploration of mental health issues behind 'trans' whatever that is, is destroying people.

The difference with the 'trans community' as you call it, is exactly what you are doing here which is seperating them out and refusing to let anyone talk about it.

Medical professionals who do not affirm in Canada are finished, hounded, harassed and either have to move away or face years of abuse and thats just from their own professional organisations. Let alone the activists and their threats.

Are those figures correct?

Canada two thirds the population of the UK but with half again as many murders?

Totally agree. There are zero morals in allowing this stuff. The blatant discrimination (not just relating to trsnsgeneder but sexism and racism is rife too) throughout this site is rife but there is no attempt to stop it. Goady posts make money. I honestly don't know how social media owners and moderators sleep. As a platform, it is perpetuating fear and division that in turn impacts on mental health and a broken society. But, you know, as long as they make a bit of cash, that's ok apparently.

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda

common decency means the victims is all anybody should be thinking about not glee that it’s a great opportunity to push extremist ideology.

That's another irony meter exploded and it's only 8am. I need to start buying them in bulk.

Why do you correct posters talking about the victims being “women and children” by pointing out that boys were killed too? Boys are children.

So, when someone says that trans people are more likely to suffer with their MH, to feel suicidal, and wants society to see this as a problem it must solve by providing physical medical interventions and changing sex based provisions, your response would be "Oh no, many teens suffer with their mental health. No need for any specific actions here...."?

The radicalisation aspect also needs to be looked at. People don’t seem to have any problem doing that when it’s “incel” culture or far right radicalisation.

Only in the heads of misogynists is it “hateful” to state that men can’t be women.

But no OP I won’t pretend for anybody that a girl committed mass murder. It was a boy. The pretending bit clearly did no good for him anyway.

Your OP is just another way of saying “Women - STFU and #BeKind”. We don’t tolerate that crap around here mate, you’re on a forum with outspoken and intelligent women. Cry harder.

@Blu3Shoes people are being “vocal” about the inaccurate description NOT that he was trans. The police have a duty to all citizens to give an accurate description.
Inadequate complex MH provision and the gun access has also been highlighted as areas that need addressing.

As pp said pretending this is a teenage girl and not a boy is a lie. It’s not helpful to either wider society or these kids themselves. We will not stop talking about it, hope that’s crystal clear.

You don’t really have any arguments OP do you? Just “don’t talk about this, I don’t want to hear it”.