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GenechandlerHeyMrBigshotNsoul · 12/02/2026 20:32

Rat by name
Rat by nature.

LunaDeBallona · 12/02/2026 20:31

Across the member states of the EU since 2000 the population has risen by 4.9% - mainly due to immigration, not natural population increase.
In the UK the population has gone up by 18.1% since 2000.
This is mainly due to immigration - and it’s not sustainable.

Foreign born people claim between 38-43% of all benefits (so not just UC). Some of these are from Ireland and have dual nationality which is why it’s difficult to give an accurate %age.

In Many London boroughs, and boroughs in our major cities( Birmingham and Manchester) the social housing is occupied by more than 50% people not born in the UK. Some are 80%.

Since 2020 reported rapes have gone up by 54%.
That figure alone should be enough to scare the hell out of us.

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:31

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 20:29

You don't think the welfare and immigration bill need to be cut? They are absolutely destroying this country. Wake up. It's not sustainable. The country will go bankrupt

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Countries can’t go bankrupt.
So you want companies ti make bigger and bigger profits subsidised by the benefit bill? We can’t afford it. It’s not sustainable.

BlueJuniper94 · 12/02/2026 20:31

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:21

It does matter. And the lies in his statement prove that his opinions are based on known falsehoods. Or they aren't, he’s an even worse liar trying to get other people to base their opinions on lies.

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I would rather people made a sincere effort to be truthful. But facts alone are not enough to inform opinions. I think he just said a number off the top of his head. I don't think he's particularly wedded to that particular figure and I don't think he cares and I don't think anyone else cares other than people who disagree and hope that this will discredit him enough to persuade one or two people to reject his premise.

It's interesting that the media seem to be emphasising problems with his choice of language over highlighting his factual inaccuracies.

Allseeingallknowing · 12/02/2026 20:30

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 20:29

You don't think the welfare and immigration bill need to be cut? They are absolutely destroying this country. Wake up. It's not sustainable. The country will go bankrupt

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Absolutely right!

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 20:29

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:19

So companies must be allowed to cash in with massive profits underwritten by tax payer money enabling their employees to actually survive, and the better answer would be to cut services and the welfare state (the result of cutting taxes)? The government can’t slash energy bills because Tories sold the companies to their mates, so that’s out.
At some point we have to challenge this nonsense.

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You don't think the welfare and immigration bill need to be cut? They are absolutely destroying this country. Wake up. It's not sustainable. The country will go bankrupt

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:28

IcebergRightAhead · 12/02/2026 20:25

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/feb/12/fa-jim-ratcliffe-football-rules-immigrants-manchester-united

This might not be relevant but am I the only one really disgusted by the Guardian using the picture below?

Out of all the photos of this scruff that exist, what a coincidence that they’ve just so managed to find a picture of him wearing a poppy! He’s not even facing the camera but they’ve used it anyway.

Stoking the fires of division and sneering at those who wear the poppy. Suggesting those who wear the poppy are flag shaggers and racists, politicising the simple tradition whilst pretending that it’s “the other side” who are politicising it.

They know exactly what they’re doing.

I think that’s a bit of a stretch. Poppies aren’t the province of flagshaggers and have never been seen like that. I think Ratcliffe has a bit of a cheek to wear one when not paying tax though.

IcebergRightAhead · 12/02/2026 20:25

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/feb/12/fa-jim-ratcliffe-football-rules-immigrants-manchester-united

This might not be relevant but am I the only one really disgusted by the Guardian using the picture below?

Out of all the photos of this scruff that exist, what a coincidence that they’ve just so managed to find a picture of him wearing a poppy! He’s not even facing the camera but they’ve used it anyway.

Stoking the fires of division and sneering at those who wear the poppy. Suggesting those who wear the poppy are flag shaggers and racists, politicising the simple tradition whilst pretending that it’s “the other side” who are politicising it.

They know exactly what they’re doing.

Manchester United assert ‘inclusive’ values as FA looks into Jim Ratcliffe comments

Manchester United took the extraordinary step of publicly asserting their ‘inclusive and welcoming’ values after their co-owner Jim Ratcliffe’s comments about immigration

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/feb/12/fa-jim-ratcliffe-football-rules-immigrants-manchester-united

ElevensesKing · 12/02/2026 20:24

StarlightLady · 12/02/2026 19:10

That was not an apology.

Furthermore he is not a UK resident anyway. He campaigned for Brexit and moved to Monaco.

So he wouldn't have to pay tax which is ironic as he's moaning about benefit claimants who also don't all pay tax. 🤔

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PyongyangKipperbang · 12/02/2026 20:23

Lemonadefizzcelebration · 12/02/2026 20:20

Man Utd players are hired on meritocracy. Does any football club use DEI when buying players?

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The point is that a someone who employs immigrants and is an immigrant himself is a massive hypocrite for slagging off immigrants!

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cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:21

Lemonadefizzcelebration · 12/02/2026 20:20

Man Utd players are hired on meritocracy. Does any football club use DEI when buying players?

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What’s that got to do with the price of fish?

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:21

BlueJuniper94 · 12/02/2026 20:17

Nobody thinks they do. It doesn't even matter. Who cares

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It does matter. And the lies in his statement prove that his opinions are based on known falsehoods. Or they aren't, he’s an even worse liar trying to get other people to base their opinions on lies.

hellohullo · 12/02/2026 20:20

he can eff off back to Monaco, he has no right to state such things whilst being made rich off the back of UK citizens and paying no tax.

Lemonadefizzcelebration · 12/02/2026 20:20

ExtraOnions · 12/02/2026 19:35

Maybe he should fill his Man United squad with British Born player only ?

Maybe he should not be asking taxpayers to contribute money to the new stadium he wants to build, if he’s concerned about how much he a payers are forking out.

Man Utd players are hired on meritocracy. Does any football club use DEI when buying players?

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:19

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 20:13

What do you think the living wage should be then? Don't moan about the cost of living when they put food prices up again to cover another wage rise.
The government could easily change taxes tomorrow to make life more comfortable for working people . They could also slash energy bills and petrol/diesel prices.

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So companies must be allowed to cash in with massive profits underwritten by tax payer money enabling their employees to actually survive, and the better answer would be to cut services and the welfare state (the result of cutting taxes)? The government can’t slash energy bills because Tories sold the companies to their mates, so that’s out.
At some point we have to challenge this nonsense.

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PyongyangKipperbang · 12/02/2026 20:18

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 20:13

What do you think the living wage should be then? Don't moan about the cost of living when they put food prices up again to cover another wage rise.
The government could easily change taxes tomorrow to make life more comfortable for working people . They could also slash energy bills and petrol/diesel prices.

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No "they" couldnt.

Sadly it really isnt as simple as you seem to believe, we all wish it was!

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StarlightLady · 12/02/2026 20:18

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 20:13

What do you think the living wage should be then? Don't moan about the cost of living when they put food prices up again to cover another wage rise.
The government could easily change taxes tomorrow to make life more comfortable for working people . They could also slash energy bills and petrol/diesel prices.

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Slashing energy bills when energy companies are privately owned with shareholders earning dividends is not so simple.

lt is akin to asking the government to reduce prices in Tescos.

BlueJuniper94 · 12/02/2026 20:17

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:16

Are they? I don’t think mine are. I tend to look at the facts before forming an opinion. I thought that was how it was done.

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Nobody thinks they do. It doesn't even matter. Who cares

Pedallleur · 12/02/2026 20:17

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:14

He’s an immigrant. He can see himself how he likes I guess.

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Farage used the term economic migrant

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:16

BlueJuniper94 · 12/02/2026 20:10

I never said you weren't? I'm just saying that everyone's opinions are based on falsehoods and feels.

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Are they? I don’t think mine are. I tend to look at the facts before forming an opinion. I thought that was how it was done.

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PyongyangKipperbang · 12/02/2026 20:15

Pedallleur · 12/02/2026 20:09

When money is involved the terms/labels change. So the billionaire is welcomed as a resident to the reassuringly expensive Monaco. Just like those non-doms are welcomed over here with their house buying and unexplained income. Scruffy Jim's income comes from his business but he would not describe himself as an immigrant like Frederick Trump (grandfather of Donald). Jim can move around to whichever tax haven seems favourable

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The fact that I would not describe myself as a middle aged woman doesnt mean that I am not one.

He is an immigrant, that is a fact. Opinion is of no consequence.

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cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:14

Pedallleur · 12/02/2026 20:09

When money is involved the terms/labels change. So the billionaire is welcomed as a resident to the reassuringly expensive Monaco. Just like those non-doms are welcomed over here with their house buying and unexplained income. Scruffy Jim's income comes from his business but he would not describe himself as an immigrant like Frederick Trump (grandfather of Donald). Jim can move around to whichever tax haven seems favourable

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He’s an immigrant. He can see himself how he likes I guess.

Yellowshirt · 12/02/2026 20:13

PyongyangKipperbang · 12/02/2026 20:00

Ok this is getting silly now!

£12 an hour is a shit wage when the rent on a one bedroom flat can be £2000 a month depending on where you live! Where I am, East Mids market town, a 2 bed terrace will cost 140k + Try getting a mortgage on that on NMW, not going to happen. So you rent, except that rent is too high on NMW so it is topped up by housing benefit. So what happens is that tax payers are putting money into the pockets of those who have more than enough, and punching down on NMW earners for not working hard enough to earn more instead of getting angry with people like Ratcliffe and other big businesses for not paying a living wage.

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What do you think the living wage should be then? Don't moan about the cost of living when they put food prices up again to cover another wage rise.
The government could easily change taxes tomorrow to make life more comfortable for working people . They could also slash energy bills and petrol/diesel prices.

StarlightLady · 12/02/2026 20:11

Allseeingallknowing · 12/02/2026 19:23

That wasn’t what he was talking about!

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But this has everything to do with it, he is commenting about how the UK is run but not contributing tax.

Yet he is sacking staff from a rich club and reducing terms and conditions.

Not to mention overseas players that the club has brought in.

BlueJuniper94 · 12/02/2026 20:10

cardibach · 12/02/2026 20:02

but we aren’t allowed to say they are ill informed or a bit thick? When they base their opinion on falsehoods? Or feels?

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I never said you weren't? I'm just saying that everyone's opinions are based on falsehoods and feels.