At least seven dead after school shooting in British Columbia

The questions are is this an increasing trend and are trans people over-represented in the demographics of school shooters (i.e. both categories skew young, so maybe not). You might even argue we don[t know the gender of school shooters past, only their sex.

I agree that the BBC has to wait for facts and not report on officially unsubstantiated social media gossip. Remember how Christoper Jefferies was thrown to the lions by unscrupulous press outlets.

Not that I believe in the word or construct of 'gender' but what you say is interesting in that school shooters/mass shooters of the past, how many went on to later claim trans identity?

I think many get killed perhaps so that may skew it.

Note your classification "trans / anti-trans wars" not that it is a Womens Rights issue of #notourcrimes.

You could examine why you phrased it that way.

Why there is no focus on a discussion on Womens Rights to have society and the law recognise that female only single sex should actually mean and be actually female only.

In this case that the killer be recorded as a male and be included in the list of male killers who carried out mass murder of children in their own community.

I'm not a "TRA" so please don't use that slur with me.

If you think my numbers are wrong then fine, give your sources. The wikipedia article simply counts school shootings without any mention of the perpetrator's views on sex or gender. Should I assume it's wrong? How many school shootings in the US do you think have happened since 2019?

I used the Williams Institute simply because that was the one that came up first in a google search I just did. I'd never heard of it before and I'm not so engrained in the minutia of the trans / anti-trans wars to instantly recognise it as one that takes any particular side. What do you think the percentage of the US population is that's trans-identifying?

I’m not all that interested in your poorly informed opinions personally. Do another half arsed google and think what you like. I am interested in looking at how the WI got that 1% figure.

The questions are is this an increasing trend and are trans people over-represented in the demographics of school shooters (i.e. both categories skew young, so maybe not). You might even argue we don[t know the gender of school shooters past, only their sex.

I agree that the BBC has to wait for facts and not report on officially unsubstantiated social media gossip. Remember how Christoper Jefferies was thrown to the lions by unscrupulous press outlets.

I’m not all that interested in your poorly informed opinions personally. Do another half arsed google and think what you like. I am interested in looking at how the WI got that 1% figure.

Thank you. According to that, then, 2019 - 2025 there have been 1,726 school shootings. Of which four(?) have so far been identified on this thread as being perpetrated by trans-identifying people.

Apparently 4 out of 1,726 is an overwhelming majority for some people.

I already cited the source but here it is again - https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

But oh look - once again you're making claims and providing zero sources. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

...well not that shocked.

Can you link the Williams Institute figure please? I want to know how they derived that number - survey/extrapolation etc.

there are lots of different numbers of mass shootings. I’m talking about ones where three or more people have been killed. All experts seem to agree the number of female mass shooters (not just school shooters) is very small. 3 of them are TIFs.

Yes, to the extent that the Office For National Statistics has unaccredited that question. Language matters!

We consider that there is sufficient evidence that the gender identity question in the census has underperformed, with some groups of people being more likely than others to misunderstand the question.

https://osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/osr-publishes-its-final-report-on-the-review-of-the-statistics-collected-on-gender-identity-during-the-england-and-wales-census/

I think there was some research about this in the UK, wasnt there some issue with this on a census or some formal system somewhere, where huge swathes of communities in London where English was not their first language identified as trans some how because of the wording of something

Probably not making any sense, I read it on this forum at some point

Unfortunately, self identification is enshrined in law in Canada, the trans lobby is extremely powerful there, they are calling the killer a gun person rather than mis gender him. The correct pronouns usage is way more important than dead children apparently.....

There are so few trans people statistically, supposedly, that the minute one commits a school and/or mass shooting, they are over representing the numbers.

And this is where they use language to confuse people. What do you mean by "trans man"?

"Trans identified man" works better. Or TIM for short.

https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings

There a school shooting data base - though it includes all cases where a gun is fired on school property it says.

It's fucking depressing that someone actaully keeping a database - I assume it's just US based as this is usually very much a US problem with spordic occurances in other countries.

There were 473 school shootings in the US 2019 - 2025 (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2000%E2%80%93present) ). So far in this thread there's been three, maybe four of those that were perpetrated by trans-identifying people. That's less than 1% of school shootings which even the most innumerate of people wouldn't agree represents "the vast majority".

As for trans-identifying people being "certainly over-represented", there's a range of figures for how many of the US population is trans-identifying but figures of around 1% overall seem common, eg https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/ although numbers for the age range more likely to shoot up a school tend to be higher. So less than 1% of school shooters are trans-identifying against around 1% of the population identifying as trans. And that, to you, is them being "over-represented", is it?

Keep being scared of what the right-wing grifters tell you to be scared about. Your fears keep them rich.

You are probably correct - why not say though it was a trans man - I don’t get it, call a spade a spade I say . It will come out anyway.