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MyCleverCat · 11/02/2026 12:38

It doesn’t really matter whether trans identified people are over or under represented as perpetrators of mass shootings. Either way, the numbers involved would be too small to have much statistical relevance. What does matter though is that (a) there is accurate reporting, and (b) it’s clear that males are over represented.

www.statista.com/statistics/476445/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-gender/?srsltid=AfmBOooPLsTsJCwbO1T5Zgh6VhknzjdnwEqyYm0EC8RDZUxUk1MA-r0K

These points matter for a number of reasons, but partly so that people can understand the highest risk factors and try to intervene before these horrific events happen. It’s also pretty obvious that a male who starts identifying as a woman (or wearing a dress) is not automatically less of a risk than other men or boys. It’s just gaslighting to suggest otherwise.

trappedCatAsleepOnMe · 11/02/2026 12:38

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 12:30

Well its in Canada who have tight gun laws so the pro gun lobby is making merry with this incident of course.

I read on BBC that it was the Candian area with the highest gun ownership in Canada.

Canada has lower gun owership than USA and a much lower muder involving guns - but higher than us in UK who have even stricter gun controls.

The pro gun lobby in US keeps on about knife crime in UK - they may not have guns but have knife crime - our knife crime is below their's still.

So don't suppose facts matter much to the pro gun lobby - there never have before.

DownhillTeaTray · 11/02/2026 12:37

JoannaTheYodelingCowgirl · 11/02/2026 12:35

Yes. Still America in every way culturally. The second amendment applies in society.

Why are you spouting this nonsense on two different threads 🙄

Canada is not America. Just like a man isn't a woman.

AnSolas · 11/02/2026 12:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/02/2026 11:50

If people use the term “anti trans” they are a TRA. It’s an activist term. I’m a feminist, gender critical if I have to have a label. It’s a women’s rights issue and women’s rights is why we are so concerned. I don’t want violent, resentful men having a free pass to women’s spaces which the pp probably thinks is perfectly acceptable.

I am giving that poster an opening to explore why any view which is about women is classed as "anti-trans".

It is rather obvious that if one can label the person or issue "anti-trans" one can lable the person or issue "transphobic" etc

Which is imo why NHS Fife ended up with a head of an ED wanting to call the police on a woman who said she did not want to change her clothing in what should have been the Womens Changing room.

How the senior manager came to believe calling the police was an appropiate reaction is an interesting question on social engineering.

JoannaTheYodelingCowgirl · 11/02/2026 12:35

Newyearsameme26 · 11/02/2026 12:31

Canada.

Yes. Still America in every way culturally. The second amendment applies in society.

fuzzyduck1 · 11/02/2026 12:31

Gettingbysomehow · 11/02/2026 06:31

Wasn't a woman. It was a man in a dress not surprisingly. Not our crime so stop calling the shooter a "woman".

It was one of them new women you know the ones with c**ks

Newyearsameme26 · 11/02/2026 12:31

JoannaTheYodelingCowgirl · 11/02/2026 12:27

This is absolutely terrible. How many more shootings until America finally realises the second amendment is fucked up? Sad

Canada.

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 12:30

JoannaTheYodelingCowgirl · 11/02/2026 12:27

This is absolutely terrible. How many more shootings until America finally realises the second amendment is fucked up? Sad

Well its in Canada who have tight gun laws so the pro gun lobby is making merry with this incident of course.

Chersfrozenface · 11/02/2026 12:30

JoannaTheYodelingCowgirl · 11/02/2026 12:27

This is absolutely terrible. How many more shootings until America finally realises the second amendment is fucked up? Sad

This happened in Canada.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/02/2026 12:29

AnSolas · 11/02/2026 12:24

What was the sex class split between killers in the data you were looking at?

The counts of school shootings in the US per year on wikipedia were just totals, not broken out by sex. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that 99+% were perpetrated by men.

JoannaTheYodelingCowgirl · 11/02/2026 12:27

This is absolutely terrible. How many more shootings until America finally realises the second amendment is fucked up? Sad

AnSolas · 11/02/2026 12:24

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 11/02/2026 11:30

At the risk of boring even myself, what proportion of the US population do you think is trans-identifying and what is your source for that? That is, after all, the sole number I got from the Williams Institute and I'm happy to accept it's wrong if it is indeed wrong. (Weirdly, despite several people falling over themselves to tell me it's biased nonsense, and despite me asking several times now, no-one has so far managed to tell me what source I should be using instead.)

I'll now jog over from the "school shootings perpetrated by all trans-identifying men" to "mass shootings perpetrated by trans-identifying women" pitch. A couple of questions if I may - how many mass shootings, and over which time frame, have you counted as having been perpetrated by women? And what are you counting as a "mass-shooting", because as anyone with the slightest knowledge of gun control arguments is aware that is a VERY contentious point.

What was the sex class split between killers in the data you were looking at?

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 12:23

Queenoftartts · 11/02/2026 12:16

it a description of the attacker just like when Derick Bird and went on the rampage.

The descriptor is usually factual though isnt it

A white male, 6 foot tall, wearing brown jeans and yellow top, clean shaven

So this would have or should have read, a white male, x foot tall, heavy build, wearing a blue dress, black hair.

Something like that.

Factual

Shedmistress · 11/02/2026 12:22

Cankerousa · 11/02/2026 12:10

I've never seen the words 'Man, wearing trousers'...

Lets not forget Derby Evening Telegraph who put out an alert for a sex offender prison escapee described as 'woman might be dressed as a man'.

Readers, it WAS a man.

AnSolas · 11/02/2026 12:22

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 11:35

I think there was some research about this in the UK, wasnt there some issue with this on a census or some formal system somewhere, where huge swathes of communities in London where English was not their first language identified as trans some how because of the wording of something

Probably not making any sense, I read it on this forum at some point

Yes the UK census ran 2 questions which was in part supposed to cover the information gap State agencies has under Equality Act 2010.

The ONS opted for 2 gender identity question on being "trans" the second question asked people to lable themselves.
They were warned in advance that the question was badly worded and would likely produce no usefull information.

This proved to be true and the collected data was downgraded.

The list of lables can even be downloaded and the data is interesting in so far as the staff had to fit them into 4 Gender Identy classes 2 of which have no legal protections under the Equality Act 2010.

Helleofabore · 11/02/2026 12:22

‘Trans / anti-trans wars’

Blimey. What a dichotomy?

What ever happened to it being a positive to support female people through feminism and to campaign for female people to have protections and equitable solutions?

instead we get told discussions on whether accurate language describing a male person’s crime is considered a trans / anti -trans war. Good to know.

Chersfrozenface · 11/02/2026 12:21

Queenoftartts · 11/02/2026 12:16

it a description of the attacker just like when Derick Bird and went on the rampage.

It's not an accurate description, though.

Because the shooter wasn't a woman.

Queenoftartts · 11/02/2026 12:16

newuser9090 · 11/02/2026 06:29

The description ‘woman, brown hair, in a dress’ was from an alert to the community to avoid them while the attack was still happening.

it a description of the attacker just like when Derick Bird and went on the rampage.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/02/2026 12:10

I’d missed that hyperbole as well. Ridiculous.

Cankerousa · 11/02/2026 12:10

newuser9090 · 11/02/2026 06:29

The description ‘woman, brown hair, in a dress’ was from an alert to the community to avoid them while the attack was still happening.

I've never seen the words 'Man, wearing trousers'...

lifeturnsonadime · 11/02/2026 12:09

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 12:04

Oh I missed that!!

Equally reprehensible.

Wow.

I am literally (literal violence and all) on the scale of a mass killer

I never knew?

I missed it too.

Fucking abhorrent.

likelysuspect · 11/02/2026 12:04

Oh I missed that!!

Equally reprehensible.

Wow.

I am literally (literal violence and all) on the scale of a mass killer

I never knew?

AnSolas · 11/02/2026 12:03

Crikeyalmighty · 11/02/2026 11:25

You are probably correct - why not say though it was a trans man - I don’t get it, call a spade a spade I say . It will come out anyway.

This is the country which had the State sue (on behalf of a male) multiple women who objected to waxing his balls and something like 40 legal firms would not take the womens money to provide legal representation. The State concluded the it was only because the women did not have the training to wax his ladyballs that he was not discriminated against.
[(Edit) all the women only provided waxing services to women so actively and openly discriminated against men.]

The only reason the local media ran any coverage was that a woman attended the case tweeted and provided the International media with headline stories.

And fyi a "trans man" is a female (the non-bepenised kind of human)

ThatCyanCat · 11/02/2026 12:01

ChickenCooper · 11/02/2026 10:42

It is tragic that so many people died at the hands of a hate filled shooter.

The amount of hate against transwomen being expressed on this thread is equally reprehensible.

The statistics do not support the claims made here that transgender people are over represented in school shooting perpetrators.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

It is tragic that so many people died at the hands of a hate filled shooter. The amount of hate against transwomen being expressed on this thread is equally reprehensible.

And there we have it, folks... women criticising gender ideology and calling a man a man because they refuse to lie about reality is just as bad as a man committing mass murder.

And they expect us to believe they don't know who the women are.

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 11/02/2026 11:59

Agreed, though you would also need to compare the timeline and see if there is an emergent cluster compared to rising rates of trans ID. I am not an expert but I son't think the data is statistically significant yet but still worth keeping an eye on.

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