Dubai single mum

so please only positive response please and if you want to be negative please don’t comment.

Yeah, it doesn’t work like that.

He is seeing his dauther regularly now.

I can't see how moving her to a different country with a plan to ship her back for majority of school holidays would be in the daughters best interest. What if she has some hobbies or friends she would like to do/meet during holidays?

I really hope the court stops it, for the girl's sake.

I don’t wear a Rolex - I wear a Cartier - and the answer to both is yes. Stop reading right wing media and look at some actual information about crime rates in the UK versus the rest of the world.

He does no actual parenting from that update, and sees his daughter on alternate weekends and when he can be arsed in school holidays. Sounds like he has the opportunity to spend more time with his daughter if she moves to dubai from the proposals that have been made. And also possibly an extension of controlling/abusive behaviour of him to refuse the permission to go.

OP I would wager that your daughter and granddaughter can move based on your update. I really hope it works out for them.

That's not true.
They really.dont really care about the moral circumstances of expats. Alcohol for example is freely available over there and you get influencers walking around with barely any clothes. They want to encourage foreigners to live there. It's an odd place, but the oddness doesn't come from religious fervour so much as an obsession with money/visual displays of wealth.

You wouldn't get stoned for being a single mum. However, it can be harder to make friends with other mums if you are the only single working mum in the group. And while day to day they are very tolerant of foreigners, if you did cross the wrong person (a local) and they had it in for you you would always be on the back foot.

But it's not Indiana Jones.

every single part of child’s welfare will be greatly improved.

Apart from being taken away from her father.

You and your daughter sound incredibly naive and selfish.

Best of luck to the both of you.

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I can completely see why she would want to move away in those circumstances. But I just don't know if the reasons given are enough for the courts. Not paying maintenance won't be seen as a good enough reason to move the child where the father can't see him/her. It sucks. But she might be better placed putting all her energies into making him pay/chasing CMS.

I also think that in those circumstances she would be quite isolated out there. It takes time to build up a support network (pre child friends don't count) and a lot of the expat crowd are either younger/childless or in couples often where one partner is the trailing spouse.
I do know what it's like to be a single mum in a foreign country and it's harder to make/retain friends. Especially when the other "expat" women are the trailing spouse so they don't work and all the social arrangements are lunches. Also as a single mum some married women (not all) are weird about letting you into their circle. I made friendships (mostly with locals it was the Netherlands) but I would have struggled to do so in a place where single mums are much less usual like Dubai. Plus she/you would be away from the rest of her family. I worry it could get very lonely.

Weather, yep I agree there.

The break down of law and order though? I agree there's issues, I love a moan about the police as much as the next person but there has not been a breakdown of law and order. Violent crimes and knife related/gun crime is mostly down across the whole country. Murder rates in London are at a ten year low for example and lower than every city in America. Business robberies went up by a lot but that's partly because some businesses are reporting more (which they should! Shoplifting is a blight as are more violent robberies). We need more police. But there isn't a breakdown in law and order.

Dubai isnt dangerous either. You can walk around with valuables and not worry about being robbed for example. But when something happens you aren't always as protected as in the UK. Particularly if the perpetrator is a local. The murder rates/recorded crimes against women are lower BUT there are a lot more deaths of women accidentally falling out of windows for example. So you are statistically less likely to be murdered but more likely to jump out of a window for no reason. That doesn't make Dubai dangerous- the chances of falling out of a window are very low if you visit. But it's not as if I worry about windows in the UK either.

Also, in terms of safety, it's getting quite hot in that part of the Middle East (geopolitically). The UAE should be fine, they aren't directly involved with Israel or Iran but they have had their airspace closed due to both sides firing rockets at each other. It also has some beef developing with Saudi Arabia. I dont think that makes it dangerous- its not likely to be directly impacted by war. But its worth considering.

On topic: I know people who moved to Dubai and liked it though its not for me. But I can't imagine the courts giving permission for one parent to take the child to another country. Especially one so far away. So it's s moot point.

so please only positive response please and if you want to be negative please don’t comment.

Lol. This board is called am I being unreasonable, not only comment if you agree with me

Oh sweet Jesus, literally as well as figuratively? 🤢 Why are some men so gross?! Very Epstein

Men pay to shit on women.

Anyone fool enough to relocate to Dubai deserves all they get.

That's a nasty thing to say @MrThorpeHazell

I’ve googled for you, as I’d never heard of it before (I lived in Dubai for a decade). Think Epstein. Why is it better if a Westerner does it than an Arab? I mean, obviously it is disgusting, but I don’t understand why it is apparently less palatable in one wealthy part of the world than another?

Just one question.

Is she fucking nuts?

Yes, this is what people like to forget. I feel so strongly about this.

Ok, so a few people have mentioned the potty thing now, and I have no idea what they are talking about and am too scared
yo google it! Can anyone explain in terms that wouldn’t overly overwhelm a maiden aunt please?!

I think the next time your DD mentions Dubai, you need to ask her if she know what a portable potty is?

If she says yes, then you have reasons to be concerned. If she says no then you need to educate her and tell her what goes on in Dubai.

If she's insistent on living somewhere sunny and trashy, suggest Marbella or Costa del Crook as a safer (and cleaner and less toilety) alternative.

They both live in the UK now, presumably @Shazzashaz ? Why would the courts give permission to move a child so far from their father, is there some issue you're not mentioning (abuse etc)?

If she gets a decent enough salary then she'll be able to have a full time nanny.
Bad things happen to women and girls in the UK as well well like the poor child who was raped in a park by an Afghani immigrant. Dubai is extremely safe.

You must be thinking of some other Middle Eastern city. That does not happen in Dubai these days, and it was for adultery, not for merely being a single mother. Single mothers who are not of the local faith are in a much better position in Dubai if they have a good, secure, job with accommodation and schooling included in their package (which is not necessarily the case these days), than they would be in the UK, I think. Mind you, in the first place, I’m almost certain the UAE authorities require permission from the child’s father for the child to be away from him, possibly what is known as a No Objection Certificate, so the OP’s daughter is on a hiding to nothing with this one, since the child’s father has already refused his permission.

Don’t be so utterly ridiculous. What specific risks does she face as a single mother? Please also do point to any cases of a person being stoned.

Agree. From the person I know that moved countries, their child has a far superior quality of life from the move than they would ever have had here. Definitely medical is 100 times better anywhere where you are overseas and have a private health care plan in place. Schooling is cheaper usually and so is housing. So if you have a good job then it is easy to prove that the standard of living will be better. And then as for seeing the other parent, times and visits are put in place. In the uk people can still move 6 hours away from each other and have the same issues with time spent with each parent.

Well that’s not my experience as a divorce lawyer with many successful relocation cases under my belt. It is entirely possible to succeed with an application to the court to move to another country. There is also no presumption that Dubai is an unsafe place to relocate to. In fact, the opportunities as an expat there are usually extremely good and it’s pretty easy to be able to prove that things like education and medical care far exceed the standard that the child receives in England and wales, usually because it’s paid for by an employer as part of a package.