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The NHS. We need to fight to keep it.

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Differentforgirls · 10/02/2026 18:50

My Mil is 87. Last year (around September) she was bleeding from her vagina and went to her GP.

The GP referred her to hospital for tests, which she got quickly.

It was cancerous polyps in her womb so she got further tests to ensure they hadn’t spread and was referred for surgery.

Tonight she has been discharged from hospital after numerous tests over the intervening months and a surgery yesterday (keyhole).

She’ll get follow up treatment too.

All NHS, where she has been treated with dignity, respect and kindness.

It might not be what it was due to cuts but it’s still something we should be proud of.

She’ll celebrate her 88th birthday next month, as an OAP in social housing with nothing but her pension, because of the NHS.

AIBU for thinking the NHS is something to be proud of and fight to keep?

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Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 14:06

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Sorry what? What language is that?

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Imdunfer · 11/02/2026 14:04

Differentforgirls · 10/02/2026 19:13

I mean vote for parties that want to invest in it it rather cut its budget.

No party wants to cut its budget.

I would vote for whoever can get it to spend its budget best.

That's unlikely to be one that is likely to be awarding double the pay rise the rest of the NHS are getting to the greedy bastards that already had nearly 30% last year. All that's going to lead to is more strikes. Nurses next, they'd have good cause?

Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 14:04

Ajaoq · 11/02/2026 14:02

I mean that’s the basis of the thread? You’re using one persons experience as to why we should keep it.

I think the whole NHS should be thoughtful about consent and informing patients what a wild hyperbole hilarious take Confused

Aye ok…

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LakieLady · 11/02/2026 14:03

We definitely need to keep it!

Late last summer, I had the most amazing treatment for a potentially life changing condition.

I got a GP appointment on the day I asked for one. I was prescribed appropriate medication and referred for an urgent hospital appointment, which I had the next day. The day after that, I saw the rheumatology consultant at the hospital in the nearby city and had a different sort of scan and an x-ray, and had a biopsy the following day, which confirmed the GP's diagnosis.

The consultant also correctly diagnosed an unrelated, non-urgent, condition and referred me to the appropriate team, and I had an appointment with that consultant within 3 months.

Fuck knows how much this lot would have cost privately, far more than I could afford, for sure. At 70, and with a few pre-existing conditions, health insurance premiums would be massively expensive. I very much doubt if I could afford them.

Ajaoq · 11/02/2026 14:02

Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 13:57

Jeezo. You have exacerbated a single person’s experience to the whole of the NHS.

The hyperbole in this thread is hilarious 😂

I mean that’s the basis of the thread? You’re using one persons experience as to why we should keep it.

I think the whole NHS should be thoughtful about consent and informing patients what a wild hyperbole hilarious take Confused

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Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 13:57

Ajaoq · 11/02/2026 13:51

I didn’t say you don’t need to find your own situation funny, but surely you can understand why it’s inappropriate and why having a proper way of telling patients is important? It’s not pearl clutching to say people in vulnerable situations in hospital deserve better than that, just because some find it funny doesn’t mean it’s appropriate

Jeezo. You have exacerbated a single person’s experience to the whole of the NHS.

The hyperbole in this thread is hilarious 😂

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Ajaoq · 11/02/2026 13:51

Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 13:46

Wish I’d never shared it now.

We have laughed about it for years.

Better tell my friends and family that it’s actually not funny, even though I think it is, because the gloom and doom merchants and pearl clutching brigade on MN have told me I’m not supposed to find things funny in MY OWN SITUATION in case I offend some randomer.

In fact I should have sued and got mental health care from the NHS ironically.

I didn’t say you don’t need to find your own situation funny, but surely you can understand why it’s inappropriate and why having a proper way of telling patients is important? It’s not pearl clutching to say people in vulnerable situations in hospital deserve better than that, just because some find it funny doesn’t mean it’s appropriate

Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 13:49

IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 11/02/2026 13:44

YANBU OP. I truly believe we need an NHS, but it does need improvement. We also need vast improvement into NHS mental health too.

Agree.

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Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 13:49

Ireolu · 11/02/2026 13:34

I hope your MIL recovers well after her procedure. I understand the sentiment but the NHS is unfortunately fractured, under resourced/funded and poorly managed. As such the change that is coming is part or full privatisation.

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Well thank God my MIL got her care before that because she wouldn’t have had the money to pay privately and I would be going to her funeral instead of inviting her to my book group.

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Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 13:46

Ajaoq · 11/02/2026 13:34

Having a culture around consent and informing patients and not just guilting/shaming/foisting something upon them is important, though, just because one person is fine with it being sprung on them and then being told, well, you should be used to situations like this, doesn't mean that what was said was acceptable.

Wish I’d never shared it now.

We have laughed about it for years.

Better tell my friends and family that it’s actually not funny, even though I think it is, because the gloom and doom merchants and pearl clutching brigade on MN have told me I’m not supposed to find things funny in MY OWN SITUATION in case I offend some randomer.

In fact I should have sued and got mental health care from the NHS ironically.

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IsTheOffDutyDoneYet · 11/02/2026 13:44

YANBU OP. I truly believe we need an NHS, but it does need improvement. We also need vast improvement into NHS mental health too.

Ajaoq · 11/02/2026 13:34

Having a culture around consent and informing patients and not just guilting/shaming/foisting something upon them is important, though, just because one person is fine with it being sprung on them and then being told, well, you should be used to situations like this, doesn't mean that what was said was acceptable.

Ireolu · 11/02/2026 13:34

I hope your MIL recovers well after her procedure. I understand the sentiment but the NHS is unfortunately fractured, under resourced/funded and poorly managed. As such the change that is coming is part or full privatisation.

Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 13:25

EvelynBeatrice · 11/02/2026 13:06

There is a systemic attitude problem with some healthcare workers. If patients aren’t centred and consent treated as the absolute core thing it is, precious NHS resources are wasted in litigation and mental health care.

Well I didn’t sue and didn’t need mental health care.

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Octavia64 · 11/02/2026 13:18

This year the nhs is making cuts of approx 4%.

friends of mine have lost their jobs as their services are cut.

it may or may not need investment but it certainly isn’t getting it.

https://lowdownnhs.info/comment/what-will-nhs-staffing-cuts-mean-for-services/

Calliopespa · 11/02/2026 13:12

Litning · 11/02/2026 12:34

thats awful.

Your poor niece, what happened to the drunk?

Last time I was in a&e there were this guy shouting about he has regular psychotic episodes. He was with a small slight female paramedic. I quietly packed up my stuff and moved to the waiting area around the corner. It really doesn’t feel safe sometimes.

Thats appalling your MIL died.

why are we as a nation accepting this?

why are we as a nation accepting this?
I think because both the adoration of the NHS and the notion of it being "gifted" mean there is a tendency of politeness to feel grateful for what we have received.

EvelynBeatrice · 11/02/2026 13:06

Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 12:20

You seem to be more upset about it than I was. The nurse was right.

There is a systemic attitude problem with some healthcare workers. If patients aren’t centred and consent treated as the absolute core thing it is, precious NHS resources are wasted in litigation and mental health care.

EvelynBeatrice · 11/02/2026 13:03

glitterpaperchain · 11/02/2026 12:09

YANBU but so many people have bought into the story they've been sold that the NHS doesn't work anymore. For a long time the government has been subcontracting NHS services and processes to private businesses that charge an extortionate amount and do a rubbish job, while ignoring real change that needs to happen with things like administration and technology. Then they turn around and shrug and say 'well I guess it just doesn't work anymore, we'll have to privatise it 🤪' as if asking a FOR PROFIT company to provide health care is a great idea.

The problem is that I dont trust either labour or the tories to manage the NHS properly. They all go to Eton together, their families are all friends, they're all interested in lining each other's pockets.

What we really need is someone who has genuine faith in socialist structures like the NHS, like the Green party. People will argue and say well they've never been in power so they're untested, they don't have the experience. No they don't, it's a risk. But we've SEEN what Labour and tories too and I know for a fact I don't trust them with the NHS. Time for a radical change I think.

My absolute nightmare would be a health service run by the Greens - no right to single sex services, wards etc. No - saying male perverts exist is anti queer/ anti trans / makes you a Nazi. I would definitely emigrate !!

Litning · 11/02/2026 12:34

Badbadbunny · 11/02/2026 11:36

Only 30 hours?? My MIL was in an A&E corridor on a trolley for 48 hours being ignored, with us having to do shifts to give her water, food and take her to the loo. Niece was sexually assaulted by a drunk whilst she was dozing on a hard chair next to the trolley! MIL finally got put on a ward on the third day and they finally started iv drips etc but she died before they started to take effect.

thats awful.

Your poor niece, what happened to the drunk?

Last time I was in a&e there were this guy shouting about he has regular psychotic episodes. He was with a small slight female paramedic. I quietly packed up my stuff and moved to the waiting area around the corner. It really doesn’t feel safe sometimes.

Thats appalling your MIL died.

why are we as a nation accepting this?

Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 12:20

EvelynBeatrice · 11/02/2026 11:43

You don’t need ‘to get over yourself’. Especially without sedation, a ‘relaxed’ patient makes it far easier to do the procedure properly. The students needed to learn the most valuable lesson that the patient’s interests come first and that consent is critical.

You seem to be more upset about it than I was. The nurse was right.

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Differentforgirls · 11/02/2026 12:17

glitterpaperchain · 11/02/2026 12:09

YANBU but so many people have bought into the story they've been sold that the NHS doesn't work anymore. For a long time the government has been subcontracting NHS services and processes to private businesses that charge an extortionate amount and do a rubbish job, while ignoring real change that needs to happen with things like administration and technology. Then they turn around and shrug and say 'well I guess it just doesn't work anymore, we'll have to privatise it 🤪' as if asking a FOR PROFIT company to provide health care is a great idea.

The problem is that I dont trust either labour or the tories to manage the NHS properly. They all go to Eton together, their families are all friends, they're all interested in lining each other's pockets.

What we really need is someone who has genuine faith in socialist structures like the NHS, like the Green party. People will argue and say well they've never been in power so they're untested, they don't have the experience. No they don't, it's a risk. But we've SEEN what Labour and tories too and I know for a fact I don't trust them with the NHS. Time for a radical change I think.

If I lived in England I would vote Green. Agree with the rest of your post too.

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glitterpaperchain · 11/02/2026 12:09

Differentforgirls · 10/02/2026 18:50

My Mil is 87. Last year (around September) she was bleeding from her vagina and went to her GP.

The GP referred her to hospital for tests, which she got quickly.

It was cancerous polyps in her womb so she got further tests to ensure they hadn’t spread and was referred for surgery.

Tonight she has been discharged from hospital after numerous tests over the intervening months and a surgery yesterday (keyhole).

She’ll get follow up treatment too.

All NHS, where she has been treated with dignity, respect and kindness.

It might not be what it was due to cuts but it’s still something we should be proud of.

She’ll celebrate her 88th birthday next month, as an OAP in social housing with nothing but her pension, because of the NHS.

AIBU for thinking the NHS is something to be proud of and fight to keep?

YANBU but so many people have bought into the story they've been sold that the NHS doesn't work anymore. For a long time the government has been subcontracting NHS services and processes to private businesses that charge an extortionate amount and do a rubbish job, while ignoring real change that needs to happen with things like administration and technology. Then they turn around and shrug and say 'well I guess it just doesn't work anymore, we'll have to privatise it 🤪' as if asking a FOR PROFIT company to provide health care is a great idea.

The problem is that I dont trust either labour or the tories to manage the NHS properly. They all go to Eton together, their families are all friends, they're all interested in lining each other's pockets.

What we really need is someone who has genuine faith in socialist structures like the NHS, like the Green party. People will argue and say well they've never been in power so they're untested, they don't have the experience. No they don't, it's a risk. But we've SEEN what Labour and tories too and I know for a fact I don't trust them with the NHS. Time for a radical change I think.

rickyrickygrimes · 11/02/2026 12:09

Pinkday · 11/02/2026 10:28

I'm not really following that ..brain is not braining today .
I've never seen a gynecologist..could probably do to do .
What about people on full benefits who are disabled and not working,what do they pay and did the benefits go up to cover it

It 's very complicated - France is famed for it.

Gynaes - the French take preventative medicine very seriously. It's very normal see a gynae annually, for a general checkup / contraception / breast check / up to date with smear tests / etc. My polyps were picked up at a routine check up and explained the hugely heavy periods I'd been having and dismissed as perimenopause. Like I say I was operated on and biopsy results received within a few months.

Low income
It depends why they are on a very low income.

Pensioners tend not to be in France - its pension and social care / benefits system is famously generous (and currently bankrupting the country but hey ho).

Large families, with e.g. only one minimum wage earner, would qualify as low income and receive 100% / no upfront charge for medication / GP visits.

If you have a long term illness or handicap (cancer, physical handicap) then you qualify for ALD and again 100% cover, no upfront charge for medication / GP visits.

Benefits for handicapped people in France are much more generous than in the UK to begin with so they can afford to have a mutuelle etc and to pay upfront for costs. If they really cant, the public hospitals provide free care - just in less fancy surroundings and more of a wait.

France does a lot of means testing, based on income (as declared to the tax office) and size of family / number of children. Each family basically gets a coefficient, calculated each year - this is applied to everything from healthcare to school meals to funding for school trips. It allows lower-income families to receive more financial support compared to higher income, who don't need it. It ensures that there is a comprehensive, basic level of care for lower income, while giving higher income people the opportunity to pay a little for a higher level of service. So when I pay all my (high) taxes, and I choose to go to a private clinic rather than the local public hospital for treatment, it frees up those resources for my lower income neighbour. So everyone wins. And unlike in the UK I'm not forking out 15K£ for my private knee replacement, I'm paying a couple of hundred out of my pocket if I choose a fancier clinic, and that's all as the rest is reimbursed.

Badbadbunny · 11/02/2026 12:00

Happyjoe · 11/02/2026 11:40

People in the UK think be better to go down the USA route. Oh no, god, that would be awful. What folk don't understand that even paying thousands in insurance it does not cover all the treatment. Friend of mine was shot in the leg by ICE agents in LA, despite having full insurance for the whole family, he was $80,000 out of pocket on things the insurance cover won't pay on. It would've been more but luckily his wife is a nurse and could pick up caring.

The NHS at the moment is totally broken. I am in an unfortunate area where the local hospital is in the bottom 10. It shows. For 3 years I've been trying to get help and the waiting list for gynae, ENT and heart is years. It's a scary place to be and the NHS needs fixing, to me, health is everything and the rest is noise.

Not seen anyone saying they wanted a US system. There are lots of alternative systems between the NHS and the US system, such as Canada, Australia and throughout Europe, mostly being an insurance backed, but state system, often with partial co-payments etc. We really need to look at what works well across the Channel and learn from what works in most other developed countries rather than obsess about the US.

The thing is that unless the NHS is reformed massively, we're sleep-walking into the exact kind of health system we don't want, i.e. the US system of private insurance, which is already growing rapidly in the UK.

We really can't just carry on as it is, the NHS is already collapsing and no longer fit for purpose in lots of ways, and no, throwing more money at it won't solve it's problems without massive reform as to how it operates.

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