To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

Maybe the roles are paid at the value they should be and the problem is that sitting around doing nothing but watching Netflix having anxiety is not paid at the value it should be i.e. zero.
If working a 35 hour a week job nets people £110 week more than just working 12 hours and having an unprovable mental health condition then guess what we’re going to see happen?

Most of the people I see working in McDonald's are young though. If young people really all thought they were better than that presumably it would be filled with older people?

There is a question about how those jobs are paid- either they are paid below the amount required to support life in which case the government has to step in with in work benefits/housing benefits (which comes from tax.) Or the jobs are paid more (the government raises minimum wage) in which case businesses either have to raise prices or accept less profits (and since the hospitality sector is often on quite narrow margins at the best of times that is an issue). The government raised NMW by a bit and that caused a huge furore. To raise it by the amount needed to make housing benefit etc a thing of the past would have a massive effect on businesses. So if people don't want that, they need to accept some people in work will get benefits
Or we just return to the Victorian workhouse approach.

If a job needs doing, then employ someone properly. None of this "for their benefits" bullshit.
I asked upthread what happens to the people who used to do these jobs, if they are to be replaced by cheap/free labour, and no one answered.

None of those jobs are struggling for applicants.
If someone makes money from influencing, then what is wrong with that? Money earned is a good thing, surely?

but on the flip side if theres a job that needs doing then they should be paid a proper wage to do the job, unless of course theres no profit to be made but the role needs doing so then its slavery

Benefits are free to the recipient, so doing something to receive then would be fair. Somewhere, someone in the chain has earned the taxes that pay for the benefits.

Its about realism rather than work ethic. Don't get me wrong some people - young and old are lazy and will do anything to avoid a proper days work. But, there is apparently shame in cleaning, working in McDonalds, a factory, a shop etc. Influencing is in and being ordinary is out .

basically people want society to go back to the era of slavery, and here i was thinking we had a better society of people

then that proves capitalism model for businesses cannot be sucessful without cheap labour and therefore businesses need to evolve there models why should workers be paid cheap slave labour wages just to keep a business running

At some point, higher prices drive away customers. There's only so much people are willing to pay for a pint and a burger. But research shows that lower-quality restaurants and pubs are most at risk when they raise prices.

www.library.hbs.edu/working-knowledge/minimum-wage-hikes-drive-lousy-restaurants-out-of-business

that seems the view of a few people, that the roles should be slave wages even though the jobs are essential

Someone upthread said some jobsare low paid because anyone can do them, and they don't make anyone profit. A lot of low paid jobs do make profit for someone higher up the chain.
Then there was the suggestion that the low paid jobs should be done by people for free to "earn" their benefits.

people soon say about people looking down on certain roles, yet how about those roles pay the value that the role should be paid at

one issue companies dont want to hire more people due to nmw, the pubs are already complaining that there business model is not suited due to heaven forbid they need to pay proper wages

Yet people watched a lady on TV and derived from that that she was looking down on low paid jobs, and rich people, when she mentioned neither.

@ThisWittySquidI did a random unrelated degree but later got a senior non technical job in tech. I’ve worked very hard, but certainly no harder than a nurse or similar. For the first ten years of my career I was a low then mid earner, then I moved sideways using the same skills in a higher paying sector.

Having money is a lot easier than life without for sure. There are bizarre quirks to the system (I’m not complaining). You can’t save for a pension, due to the taper. Half my pay was in shares so didn’t come into my actual bank account but were taxed as income (rightly so, just confusing). Paid a lot to accountants.

One game changer was becoming a better negotiator when changing job. I was crap for a long term and had to learn.

Id rather just have the relevant statistics.

When were you young? Because it was much easier to be on the dole in say the 1970s than it is now. Increasingly since then the requirements for people wanting to take job seekers allowance have increased rather than gotten easier. I don't know how old you are, but unless you are really really old it does come across a bit like "young people today are all lazy compared to us". They are not. It's just that you and me are old(er).

Take 3 million off if it makes you happier.

Interesting that’s what you took from that. But no I think living off the tax payer because you think you’re above doing a low status job to support yourself or your family is the lowest status, disgraceful and selfish.

It also includes people who are well of SAHMs. So exactly the kind of thing parts of Reform want to encourage (woman stays home and has kids, man goes out to work to support them). It will likely include the partners of many Reform and Tory politicians. No hate, they likely aren't a burden on the tax payer either. But the reporting of "9 million economically inactive" makes it sound like it's 9 million people on benefits or 9 million people who could/should be working when it's nothing like that.

So you think that people in the "low status" jobs should have to live in poverty? Despite the fact the country would grind to a halt if those jobs were not done.

Well, that says it all doesn't it. It is good to see snobbery alive and well.

The job market is very different now.
There is a crisis with youth unemployment. No one wants to take on inexperienced teens/young adults. This was discussed on LBC earlier. One lady rang in and said her daughter had applied for a part time job at Build A Bear. They had over 300 applicants.
There have been many threads here were posters are worried about their newly graduated kids not being able to find any work. Not things related to their degree, but anything.

Yeah of course, they’re low status job. Nothing is lower status though, than just taking from tax payer families to fund your life style, contributing less than nothing whilst expecting people from other countries to come and do the jobs that you are too good for. That option (made possible through the welfare system) needs removing, disgraceful selfish behaviour.

It’s overcharged because after they have covered their costs plus some to invest etc they not all but a lot manage to accumulate millions