To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

you sound very familiar and that poster disappeared at exactly the same time as you started and you continue the same line.

Anyway.

Pensions are 50% of the overall welfare spend. Total welfare is now the top spend item, 22% of the overall budget IIRC, more than NHS. About 7.4m people claim UC and only 30% of them are in some form of employment, doesn't even mean it's FT.

We had to import millions of migrants to do NMW jobs whilst paying millions of locals to do nothing. There are jobs, possibly not the nicest ones, hard to do ones, but there are jobs. But benefits pay almost the same, so it's easier to "work" with your GP for some time, get MH diagnosis and life on benefits is yours.

Cleaners in my DCs school, shelf stockers in my local Tesco - they barely speak any English, clearly migrants. This is next to a large council estate where most people don't work. Why is this so? these migrants pay tax to support locals on benefits, why can they do these jobs and UC claimants can't?

Really? I know loads of people. I also know of people who go to great lengths not to pay any tax at all in the UK, including non-dom status for years and then moving cash off shore. They also put their £2 million house in their daughter’s name and are evading tax by living in it and pretending it belongs to the daughter. I think it’s pretty disgusting to benefit from everything in this country but pay nothing towards it.

I also know loads of people who have over the years boasted about doing everything cash in hand and paying practically no tax. Someone today was saying they didn’t want to do one extra exercise class as it would mean they’d have to pay tax. God forbid.

But most of all I know people who have been serial users of the NHS, claimed benefits, had blue badges etc. but also done their utmost to avoid paying taxes. In fact there was a correlation between the amount someone avoided tax and the entitlement they had towards services. I think it’s down to being takers rather than givers.

Like you I’ve always been happy to pay my share because I believe in roads without potholes, an educated population and universal healthcare among other things.

No, not me
Nice way to deflect though.

Have you NC? sometime last year? Weyland something? former hospital cleaner now on long term on benefits? because why to do this hard job if you can get autism PIP and UC and get the same amount?

High tax payers moaning they pay tax towards welfare, when people are on benefits due to disability, low pay, or not enough jobs to go round.
What do you think will help that?
The largest welfare spend is actually pensions. Can't stop people getting old.

@WunTooThree
Can you explain in a succinct way what is your point? are you saying that our current welfare works well and we need to continue as is? or tax higher earners more to increase benefits?

Would you want a vulnerable relative being cared for by someone who did not want to be there and was not up to the job?
Because that is all that is wrong with people's perception of care work. It is not unskilled, it is not easy, and not everyone can do it. The clients deserve better, and carers deserve better pay, conditions and recognition instead of their role being some gutter option for people who have no other choice.
Why is that? Is it because caring is seen as a woman's job, and women's job are worthless.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5489554-why-do-some-people-think-working-in-a-care-home-is-easy-and-something-anyone-out-of-work-canshould-do

Many, many jobs aren't 'easy' FFS but you persevere.

Ask yourself why that is.
Care work is easy to get, but not easy to do.

Our local care agency apparantly cannot recruit carers. Advertising everywhere but no luck.

Not if the parents are struggling for money.
Not all young people live with their parents. Not all job seekers are young (I don't know the stats on ages of people seeking work, but it would be interesting to see a break down).
It is about £100pw, less if you are under 25.

Job seekers is plenty of money for those young people at home living with their parents. It’s one amount of money but covers a wide range of financial situations. For someone made redundant from a £50k a year job trying to support a family it’s a pittance. For others it’s too much.

Benefit claimants can do that job. If there is a vacancy and they apply and succeed in getting it. Then they have the benefit of full time work with a proper wage, annual leave, sick pay and pension.
Again, if you are saying that these jobs should be done by people on benefits to "earn" their UC (which is not a lot), then what happens to the people who were previously properly employed to do those roles?

It’s not something we have a budget for. But it’s something that would enhance the life of the whole community, as well as giving the job seeker a sense of purpose in life and a reason to get up in the morning.

Then why not offer them a job doing it?

That is if you can get the job to start with. There are currently 2.5 job seekers to every vacancy right now. There are not enough jobs to go round, and there will always be millions out of work. That is not because they are picky. It is because there are no jobs.

Yep, because you should do any work, any job at all, anything that pays the bills until such time as you can hopefully trade up.

So, your beef is with people on job seekers who are picky about the jobs they apply for? Because that is not all people on benefits. I would hazard a guess that they are a very small proportion, because the UC you get when having to look for work is a pittance and no one can survive on it long term.

I do not view anyone in a supposed low status job with contempt. My grammar school educated, graduate DD did a 'low status' job, literally getting her hands dirty just to pay the bills. As so she damn well should.

I reserve my contempt for those who aren't prepared to do the same because they think they're too good to do such jobs.

It is rather enlightening, and disturbing, seeing how the higher rate tax payers view people at the bottom. It is with contempt.
The people in the "low status" job etc are just trying to get by as best they can. We are also struggling to get healthcare in a timely fashion, the same pot holes wreck our cars too, and we feel the effects of rising costs of food and energy more than you do.

I have to agree with this wholeheartedly.

Ok, let me know how you get on.

It is purely ideological, it’s the equivalent of a toddler smashing another kid’s toy because they wanted to play with it. Now they are equal you see? I don’t think there is a clearer example than the children’s education tax. Terrible self defeating attitude, it doesn’t surprise me that people’s who think this way generally end up at the bottom of society (unless you happen to be one of the animals who is more equal than the others).

Only country that successfully did a wealth tax was Switzerland because it kept all other taxes extremely low. The highest is 1.1% at the highest level. Cantons compete and the effective rate is between 0.2% and 0.5%

Time to start taxing those sitting on wealth too.

That money was already taxed when it was earned, either as wages or investment income. Government should only get one bite at the apple.

Most countries that have imposed them repealed them as unworkable or counterproductive for the small amount of tax they raise.

taxfoundation.org/research/all/eu/wealth-tax-impact/