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tutuland · 10/02/2026 18:25

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

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glitterpaperchain · 11/02/2026 19:54

LastMohecian · 11/02/2026 19:49

It would probably help both sides of the argument if people realised just how much tax you pay starting after £100k in the UK and how access to state benefits are restricted.

Take someone just into higher tax rate on £126k compared to a full time minimum wage earner.
It’s roughly 5 times the gross, but they pay £42k in tax compared to £2.5k tax for minimum wage so they pay almost 17 times more tax. Then you begin to factor in lost free child care and a supposedly high earner can end up with less than double the take home of having a minimum wage job. Does it really sound like something worth sacrificing and striving for?

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I agree the threshold can be severe and unfair, the system needs changing really

LastMohecian · 11/02/2026 19:49

glitterpaperchain · 11/02/2026 19:14

I think jobs should be advertised at their actual take home rate, post-tax, because if a job is say 200k some people seem to think they're being hard done by by paying tax and not getting all of it. Even though tax rates are public information and anyone should be able to calculate the actual post-tax pay.

Plus even if they pay a higher rate of tax, they are still in real terms earning MORE MONEY. It's just not enough for some people who just want more more more.

Reading some of your follow up posts your ideas sound quite Marxist, which some people will find hard to follow and others will just absolutely hate because many people love capitalism.

It would probably help both sides of the argument if people realised just how much tax you pay starting after £100k in the UK and how access to state benefits are restricted.

Take someone just into higher tax rate on £126k compared to a full time minimum wage earner.
It’s roughly 5 times the gross, but they pay £42k in tax compared to £2.5k tax for minimum wage so they pay almost 17 times more tax. Then you begin to factor in lost free child care and a supposedly high earner can end up with less than double the take home of having a minimum wage job. Does it really sound like something worth sacrificing and striving for?

IcyPlumShaker · 11/02/2026 19:25

I read somewhere that 60 people have the same amount of wealth in the uk as the bottom 50% of the population.

Just. Take. It.

Charlize43 · 11/02/2026 19:24

I don't think anyone would ever confuse me with a high earner and I always complain about paying taxes all the time, especially as that bitch Rachel Thieves is going to have us paying more of it come April...

IcyPlumShaker · 11/02/2026 19:22

AlastheDaffodils · 11/02/2026 19:09

Practically speaking it isn’t really possible to take money from billionaires because they are so mobile. Same goes for slightly less rich hundreds-of-millions-aires. They can just leave the country. This is why Labour haven’t done it.

If you want to raise more taxes the only way to do it is to tax ordinary people more.

The Duke of Westminster is a billionaire. Most of his wealth is land and property.

how is he supposed to take that with him?

IcyPlumShaker · 11/02/2026 19:15

MissConductUS · 11/02/2026 18:49

Of course, because wealth taxes have worked so well elsewhere.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/eu/wealth-tax-impact/

If at first you dont succeed etc

glitterpaperchain · 11/02/2026 19:14

I think jobs should be advertised at their actual take home rate, post-tax, because if a job is say 200k some people seem to think they're being hard done by by paying tax and not getting all of it. Even though tax rates are public information and anyone should be able to calculate the actual post-tax pay.

Plus even if they pay a higher rate of tax, they are still in real terms earning MORE MONEY. It's just not enough for some people who just want more more more.

Reading some of your follow up posts your ideas sound quite Marxist, which some people will find hard to follow and others will just absolutely hate because many people love capitalism.

AlastheDaffodils · 11/02/2026 19:09

IcyPlumShaker · 11/02/2026 18:30

  1. public services in this country are fucked. Roads, schools, transport, the NHS… all fucked.
  2. we need more money to fix it all.
  3. we should take that money from the people who need it least/ have more of it.
  4. that means billionaires, millionaires etc. Nobody needs a £billion - it’s just obscene. Take it and do some real good with it.

Practically speaking it isn’t really possible to take money from billionaires because they are so mobile. Same goes for slightly less rich hundreds-of-millions-aires. They can just leave the country. This is why Labour haven’t done it.

If you want to raise more taxes the only way to do it is to tax ordinary people more.

Eddiestrangerthings · 11/02/2026 19:04

wingsanddreams · 11/02/2026 18:58

Saying “it’s all the public’s money anyway” oversimplifies how value is created.

Customers choose to pay for goods and services. Entrepreneurs take risks, invest capital, employ people, and carry responsibility. That’s not just passively collecting from a shared pot.

And “high earners” isn’t just £400k executives. Higher-rate tax often starts around £50k — experienced professionals, business owners, and people taking on real responsibility.

This kind of thinking — that productive effort is somehow undeserved — is exactly why the economy stagnates. If risk-taking and growth are constantly criticized or penalized, fewer people will expand, hire, or innovate.

but the problem is only so many services are needed eg coffee shops etc then due to machines and ai and other improvements society only needs so many workers then how does society grow an economy etc

wingsanddreams · 11/02/2026 18:58

Saying “it’s all the public’s money anyway” oversimplifies how value is created.

Customers choose to pay for goods and services. Entrepreneurs take risks, invest capital, employ people, and carry responsibility. That’s not just passively collecting from a shared pot.

And “high earners” isn’t just £400k executives. Higher-rate tax often starts around £50k — experienced professionals, business owners, and people taking on real responsibility.

This kind of thinking — that productive effort is somehow undeserved — is exactly why the economy stagnates. If risk-taking and growth are constantly criticized or penalized, fewer people will expand, hire, or innovate.

catlover123456789 · 11/02/2026 18:52

From my point of view, I am happy to pay more tax of it means public services improve, even those that don't benefit me. However, I have absolutely no faith in any politician to spend that money wisely, and THAT is what I object to.

MissConductUS · 11/02/2026 18:49

IcyPlumShaker · 11/02/2026 18:30

  1. public services in this country are fucked. Roads, schools, transport, the NHS… all fucked.
  2. we need more money to fix it all.
  3. we should take that money from the people who need it least/ have more of it.
  4. that means billionaires, millionaires etc. Nobody needs a £billion - it’s just obscene. Take it and do some real good with it.

Of course, because wealth taxes have worked so well elsewhere.

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/eu/wealth-tax-impact/

The High Cost of Wealth Taxes

Many developed countries have repealed their wealth taxes in recent years for a variety of reasons. They raise little revenue, create high administrative costs, and induce an outflow of wealthy individuals and their money. Many policymakers have also r...

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/eu/wealth-tax-impact

tutuland · 11/02/2026 18:45

PrismRain · 11/02/2026 14:13

You really are being a total dick.

You've called me a dick for calling someone sweetie? Says more about you than me

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tutuland · 11/02/2026 18:43

stargirl27 · 11/02/2026 11:40

This is one of the cringiest threads I've ever read on here with an extremely bitter OP - what's your job @tutuland ?

You've spent a lot of time reading one of the cringiest threads from a bitter OP. What's cringy about it?

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tutuland · 11/02/2026 18:40

stargirl27 · 11/02/2026 11:40

This is one of the cringiest threads I've ever read on here with an extremely bitter OP - what's your job @tutuland ?

I run a fin tech startup. Got lucky as I was at the tail end of my generation that were exposed to skills before the boom. Which meant I was in a great position after uni to get my ideas funded. I also went to a uni that helped support setting up a business etc.

Whats your job?

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IcyPlumShaker · 11/02/2026 18:30
  1. public services in this country are fucked. Roads, schools, transport, the NHS… all fucked.
  2. we need more money to fix it all.
  3. we should take that money from the people who need it least/ have more of it.
  4. that means billionaires, millionaires etc. Nobody needs a £billion - it’s just obscene. Take it and do some real good with it.
Mishmosher · 11/02/2026 18:27

Snakebite61 · 11/02/2026 18:24

Better off.

And this is why economics ought to be mandatory learning at school.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 11/02/2026 18:26

Jamesblonde2 · 10/02/2026 18:32

How much tax do you pay OP for education, health and roads? Where would we be without high earners do you think?

Yes, but where would high earners be without low earners?

Snakebite61 · 11/02/2026 18:24

Jamesblonde2 · 10/02/2026 18:32

How much tax do you pay OP for education, health and roads? Where would we be without high earners do you think?

Better off.

Snakebite61 · 11/02/2026 18:22

tutuland · 10/02/2026 18:25

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

I find it difficult to believe that all those people called you unreasonable. There's a lot of dumb, shitty people in the world.

LastMohecian · 11/02/2026 18:19

MsGreying · 11/02/2026 16:38

You need more people paying tax. (and less people taking out)

Yes, but it’s easier to just to take from
the system and criticise those who prop it up as not doing enough. It’s not sustainable and there are some people who have been totally reliant on the system well into their 30s and 50s, when it has to come to an end how are they going to adjust?

Parentingconfusing · 11/02/2026 18:04

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/02/2026 17:01

It’s a bit lofty to say you’ve created £2m wealth through your start of the chain outputs. Do you genuinely think none of the rest of the chain would exist, and produce, without you?

Not all of it no. Obviously something similar or lesser would still be procured by other means ( ie. Not through us) in atleast 50% of cases I reckon. But people here are complaining about big business siphoning off the money.

As a small company we procure and commission locally with other independents. And we design above and beyond imo. Our clients spend more through us than our local competitors. So I personally know all the pockets that runs though and yes I will proudly state we facilitated 2 mill of local gross product. As opposed even if it was 2 mill to big corps (which I don’t believe it would be); how much is that reaching the pockets of my fellow man.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/02/2026 17:06

Northerngirl821 · 11/02/2026 15:05

But higher earners also spend money - in shops, cafes, gyms and everywhere else. So you could argue that we’re paying people’s wages there?

At any rate the issue is not paying tax, it’s paying proportionally a lot more tax for the same or less services ie 40-45% tax and no benefits, cheaper childcare etc.

I’m not a higher earner through any kind of privilege or advantage, I put myself through a professional degree as a mature student and I do a really difficult and stress job with a high proportion of antisocial hours including nights. I am happy to pay tax but is it fair that I have to pay more than double the amount proportionally that lower income workers pay?

That’s actually very unlikely to be the case. Lower earners tend to spend most, if not all, of what they earn (on rent, bills, food, consumer goods) and tax is paid on all of that (VAT). In contrast, higher earners are more likely to save, taking advantage of ISAs, tax free pension funds, and earning interest on their savings. Proportionally they spend less on consumer goods, therefore paying less VAT and overall less tax (proportionally).

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 11/02/2026 17:01

Parentingconfusing · 11/02/2026 01:13

That’s a pretty good summary of things. I do agree some models are exploitative. Both of workers and the consumer… looking at you Amazon!

But I do think people forget that 99% of business in the U.K. is SME… the majority of those micro!

I am just going to leave these facts here…

Top 10 must-know UK small business statistics for 2025

  • There are approximately 5.49 million SMEs in the UK, accounting for more than 99% of all businesses.
  • The number of small businesses in the UK grew by almost 23% between 2010 and 2024.
  • Construction has more SMEs than any other UK industry, at 870,000.
  • London has the most SMEs of all UK regions relative to its population (1,367 per 10,000 adults).
  • SMEs employ around 60% of the UK workforce.
  • Roughly 15% of UK SMEs are led by women.
  • Around 7% of UK SMEs are led by a managerial team where at least half are from an ethnic minority background.
  • SMEs contribute more than 50% of the total UK business turnover in the private sector, amounting to £2.75 trillion.
  • The median average revenue for a small business in the UK is £295,000.
  • The average profit for a UK small business is £70,000 per year.

I run a micro business. We turned over just under the VAT threshold last year. My partner and I took home a completely normal wage. However we are the beginning of the chain. We designed £2 million worth of output which was commissioned. That’s suppliers, workers, companies. Thats a big chain of wealth we have created.

Yes I think I deserve a very good tax break. Perhaps we should calculate tax like that. Your contribution to wealth creation divided by your take home - I think I am due a rebate 😂

It’s a bit lofty to say you’ve created £2m wealth through your start of the chain outputs. Do you genuinely think none of the rest of the chain would exist, and produce, without you?

MsGreying · 11/02/2026 16:38

You need more people paying tax. (and less people taking out)

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