To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

That’s what it’s become, yes. And no one would be turned away. It wasn’t why it was initially set up.

Also If you look at countries who pay at the point of service their healthcare is vastly better and more efficient. I’m gobsmacked by ppl who moan about waiting times etc when they could very easily bypass all of it. I’d not dream of sitting in an endless queue if I had the means not to have to.

Honestly OP some of the replies here are embarrassing. The amount of people defending the rich and who are against taxing them, the knots they tie themselves into ti defend that position. Who would seriously choose to be such a bootlicker?

The way society and particularly British society has always worked is there are the elite and the rest from which they extract wealth, through consumption or through labour. Things are messier now with the rise of the middle class, there are far more ways to spread propaganda now and make certain higher earners things they're above the rest of the plebs, but they're just tools so the real elite can hold onto their power and wealth.

That's the way it always has been and the way it still is now and anyone who doesn't see it is either ignorant or has been duped.

The "why should I pay when I can get it on the NHS" is an attitude that stinks.

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The NHS exists for EVERYONE who is entitled to use it. That includes the people who pay the most tax into the system.

HTH

If you're paying that much tax you must be a very high earner. If more people paid for their care (when they can) it would vastly reduce the waiting times on the NHS. It wasn't until I went private that I fully understood the cost of a one night stay and simple procedure. Anaesthesia, consultant, surgeon, bed, food, meds, nurses, auxilliary, aftercare etc etc etc. The entitlement some people have is partly why we're in the mess we're in. The "why should I pay when I can get it on the NHS" is an attitude that stinks. I've seen it with friends' parents who are very comfortably retired with a large healthy pension, yet insist on getting any freebie they can.

You are the one holding them up as paragons of virtue. Those are normal jobs done by normal people who are no better or worse than the rest of the population.

Everyone who contributes to the best of their ability should be celebrated.

VAT is one part of the system. Income tax and National Insurance raise significantly more revenue. Ignoring them while claiming to discuss the ‘big picture’ is disingenuous.

The top 10% of income tax payers contribute around 60% of all income tax. The proportion of indirect tax a low earners pays is higher relative to their salary but they do not pay not pay more tax overall.

Fintech start up in this instance is a model for crypt0, it’s basically something every 20 something year old who watches tick tock a lot describes themselves as.

Do you think people are in top 3% of earners for their whole careers? Or is that also only for a limited time period?

I’ve explained to you three times how the tax and benefit system leads to little difference. Your answer of one parent staying at home to look after the children (explain how that increases tax revenue) is as an acknowledgement of this. So I’d say it’s not me being disingenuous. Why are you against high earners being restricted from the public services they fund?

A bitcoin trading model really doesn’t qualify as Fintech start up, it’s basically a quarter of 20 year olds.

if op runs a fintech startup, then presumably op can control wages and is paying everyone the same from herself to the office cleaner. lead by example and all that.

That huge dip in earnings due to paying childcare costs is extremely time limited, and of course only relevant to people with young children. For most of their career they won’t have children in nursery so they will keep all of the extra £5.5k a month. They could afford to have a parent stay at home in that period on that salary.

Numbers of minimum wage earners claiming UC is a minority. The estimate is between 15 and 40%. Even with a £500 top up there is still a £5k difference in monthly earnings.

It’s wildly disingenuous to claim that the tax system is flattening take home incomes to the extent that there is little difference between a minimum wage worker and a worker on £126k.

You lost me at ‘ whatever the numbers are’…. Go and do some research before posting silly comments like this!

Everything is time limited. UC is not the minority of situations.

That’s exactly what I’m doing. Looking at the bigger picture to explain that a much larger proportion of a low earners income is taxed compared to the income of a high earner.

The difference isn’t small, it’s an extra £5.5k a month. The free childcare is time limited, that and your UC example is a minority of situations, especially over a lifetime.

@Brunts12do you actually know any consultant nurses earning over £100k?

@tutulandcompletely agree about how society values eoles that generates money. It’s mainly the service sector that kept the world going during Covid but they are also the more poorly paid in comparison - doctor’s included

I’m a higher rate tax payer. I am cards in - no dodges here. I think it’s the right thing to do, and judge people who avoid it - whether it’s a cash in hand window cleaner or some weird dividend payments. I judge you - it might be legal - but it’s pretty shitty.

Do you live in a capitalist country currently? Have you experienced a non capitalist country? If so how was it?

I think there's a lot of truth in what people are saying about the tax system feeling like it punishes you for trying to get ahead, especially if you're in that awkward £100k-ish bracket where everything gets clawed back. We've got friends who are doctors and they've literally turned down extra shifts because it just wasn't worth it after the tax hit it's mad when we're short of NHS staff anyway. And yeah, the freezes on thresholds mean more and more normal professionals are getting dragged into higher rates without actually feeling richer. But at the same time, I don't think it's all down to "envy" it's more about governments needing cash for everything and not wanting to cut services. Still, it does make you wonder if we're accidentally pushing ambitious people to leave or just coast a bit.

On the cultural side, I do notice that British thing of not liking people who bang on about their success like if someone posts about a big bonus or a fancy holiday, there's always comments pulling them down. It's not everyone, and London feels different, but growing up it was definitely "don't get ideas above your station". Compared to places like the Netherlands where I know people who moved for work, it seems more chilled about earning well as long as you're not flashy. But I don't think it's the main reason for tax gripes most complaints I see are about getting rubbish services for what we pay, not some deep-seated jealousy.

It blows my mind they think they worked harder, and still 'sacrifice' more than nurses and police officers

OP, your comparison is out of proportion. Starting salary for a data coder can be as low as minimum wage! While a consultant nurse can earn well over 100k.

Totally agree. UK levies a tax on ambition. It seems culturally ingrained in the UK to tear down success rather than inspire success. The tax system incentivises low earnings and taxes are ideologically driven by the politics of envy.

So you get the likes of OP.

That would be confusing for anyone.