To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

OP, answer the question.

When someone gives a sensible list you cannot reply to, you pull the ChatGPT trick to evade taxes.

Your condescending 'sweetie' really churned my stomach I have to say

I think it's quite clear what she is saying by 'it's all our money anyway', she means essentially that companies generate revenue through selling things in exchange for our money. Make a profit by using our labour.

That's essentially our system is to extract resources from masses and keep profits. Which is why we need taxation, to get some of those resources back into the system.

And by high earners aren't more deserving of more money than anyone else - we don't live in a meritocracy. There are many wealthy people who work extremely hard, some who've got a lot of family money and had an easy ride, just as there are many low earners who work extremely hard like nurses and care workers, and some who don't work so hard. Hard work often isn't the determiner of how much you earn.

Sorry, but what are you actually trying to say? Your title is about taxes but in your post you go on to say that no matter what people earn, it is 'all our money anyway' and high earners aren't more deserving of their income than anyone. Is your issue with high earners or with those who are unhappy about their taxation? Please clarify sweetie.

Exactly that.

Dumbest thing I've ever read on mn. You're saying that everyone should get paid the same wage no matter what job they do. Have you actually thought about the implications of that?

I tell my DC to try hard at school, because it'll help them get a 'better' job/career. But by your reckoning we should just give everyone A grades in every exam, no matter their ability or effort.

What subterfuge?

Capitalism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive

but when its a capitalist society then why the subterfuge when its more along the lines of socialism etc

Exactly. Complaining about HOW tax money is spent I agree with, a lot of it like the NHS is wilfully mismanaged and isn't spent in a way where people feel the impact of where their taxes are going. But anyone complaining about having to pay them at all I have no time for.

I've also given you the link to the article.

Interesting response though. Not much to say about your own tax, eh?

You do come across as a bit childish, to be honest, while trying to sound grownup and informed. Please do articulate in more detail what you are saying, though.

because from an early age its do well and suceed and youll get the rewards, but then when people have to pay so much tax etc after suceeding its like whats the efforts for ?

@Soberinthecity, I can’t believe you call it freebies. It’s universal healthcare. So shocking! But anyone that questions the welfare bill is accused of benefits bashing. High income tax
payers are considered with contempt, by the likes of you if they dare to use the NHS, that we contribute to.

What you appear to want is a NHS that is a charity donated to low income earners, by high income earners. Would that sort out low productivity? High income taxpayers should then piss off and pay for their healthcare privately.

My DH and I paid £75K income tax this year. We are high income earners, we are self employed. We use both private healthcare and the NHS. I hope that really increases the bad smell in your nose!

It's not automatically queue jumping. I have private health insurance, I get sent to the local private hospital for care. When my mum needed an operation, the NHS sent her to the private hospital and paid the hospital.

Are you paying the right amount of tax?

Half of start-ups are not paying the right amount of tax.

https://www.londonandpartners.com/newsroom/news-and-communications/nearly-half-of-london-start-ups-unfamiliar-with-tax-obligations#:~:text=New%20Analysis%20Reveals-,Nearly%20Half%20of%20London%20Start%2DUps%20Unfamiliar%20with%20Tax%20Obligations,feel%20confusing%20at%20the%20start.

Start up Tax "Avoidance" and Non-Payment:

• High Non-Compliance Rates: Research indicates a "small business tax crisis," with 40% of corporation tax due from small businesses not being paid. This trend has risen since the pandemic.
• Legal Tax Minimization (Avoidance): Many startups utilize legal, government-backed incentives to lower their tax bills, such as:
• Aggressive Tax Strategies & Evasion: Some businesses,, particularly as they scale, engage in more aggressive strategies or outright evasion, such as:
• Profit Shifting: Transferring profits to lower-tax jurisdictions.
• "Phoenixism": Artificially declaring insolvency to avoid paying tax debts, then reforming as the same company.
• Cash-in-hand: Under-declaring income, particularly in the service sector.
• Impact: This non-payment leaves HMRC billions of pounds out of pocket, with estimates suggesting £15 billion more could be collected annually if this gap were closed.

Why is one pound different from another? Why should some have 40, 45 or 60% tax applied to them? Why should 2 people in a large house pay more than 6 people in a smaller one, with 12 bins outside... We accept that VAT is applied equally to all, why not other taxes? Taxes would still be proportional - those with more income would pay more, but at a rate equal to others. 20% of 200K is still a lot more than 20% of 50K. That is how a nation builds wealth.

What we have is a system where the government builds wealth, and then squanders it, mostly on things the voting public have no say in at all. The argument for our system is redistribution, and that is essentially theft. The high marginal rate segments in the UK distort work incentives and are hard to justify on fairness grounds, especially as frozen levels mean that more an more people are dragged into those bands every year.

A flat tax system with a £20k personal allowance and 27.5% rate on all income above it, paired with 22% VAT (zero-rated on all food and current basics), and a per-resident property tax of about £1,400 per adult, would raise roughly £1tn annually—enough to fund a UK state 25% smaller than today (33% of GDP). Deep aid and admin cuts would balance it. The NHS would be fully funded. This treats every pound proportionally, eliminates distorting marginal rate cliffs, ensures larger households pay more local tax based on usage, and incentivises work and growth.

@Soberinthecity Me and dh are retired. We pay a lot for health insurance because we want any health need attended to. Quickly. We are well aware that’s queue jumping. Yes, let others have the nhs and be number 6,000,001 in the queue . So generous of your dad to remove himself and pretend it’s altruistic!

not all, no. My dad‘s retired and for not much more than a monthly Sky package he pays for private healthcare for him and his wife because he recognises that there is somebody else who may need that Nhs slot just as much if not more than he does and has not got a pot to piss in, so why should he take up that space? I guess it comes down to priorities. He’d rather spend that hundred odd quid on Healthcare than a TV package.

I'm a solicitor.

Your extremely simplistic and childish views which seem to be based on the fact that you are not a high earner but are resentful of those who are.

Edit, Double post

Are you planning to give the high earners a tax rebate on the tax they pay for the NHS that they are no longer allowed to access?

And you’re calling high earners ‘entitled’. Jeez!!!

It’s not about paying taxes, people understand why we need taxes.

It’s the people who try to avoid their contribution to society that are annoying, whether it’s the tax evaders or the people who think working is beneath them.

Your post just confirms that not only do many people want money handed to them for nothing but they also want the tax payer to hand over that money happily.