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To be confused by 'high earners' complaining about taxes?

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tutuland · 10/02/2026 18:25

So high earners pay lots of tax. The top 20% pay for 70% or whatever the numbers are.

But (beyond printing more money) isn't the money there high income people make just coming from the paying public? No matter who you work for, your company's profit is just an accumulation of normal people paying for things.

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway? Just beacuse the game is rigged and you get paid 400K for management whatever, it doesn't mean you're more deserving of that money than anyone.

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NorthXNorthWest · 13/02/2026 14:56

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 13/02/2026 08:55

Just click on ‘show quote history’ and go right to the start. It was a different poster but you jumped in to respond and continue the argument. You said “you missed a bit. Quite a bit actually” and started talking about how income tax receipts are bigger. I continued my argument that I’m talking about proportion of income, which was the initial comment I responded to.
Calling me a bare faced liar is dramatic, rude, and inaccurate.

Your post yesterday...

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · Yesterday 15:59
I never said they pay more tax overall, I’ve been explaining that they pay more proportionally. Perhaps you were misreading my comments which explains why we’ve been going around in circles.
Your original comment was “I have to pay more than double the amount proportionally that lower income workers pay?”
That’s what I’ve been arguing against. I’m glad to see that you’re no longer claiming this.

So that comment you stated point blank was mine, wasn't mine?

So, Instead of apologising for blatantly lying about that statement being mine, you have moved on to lying about the statement I actually made which was responding your comment.

The actual chain of posts: that poster with the 'paying double claim', your response, followed by my response to yours and so on.

Feel free to put that initial poster's comment, your reply and my response to your post into Chat GPT. Ask it my comment is agreeing with the initial poster's statement. While you are at it you can ask it to interpret what your statement is really saying and what mine is really saying about 'high earners'.

Nobody is 'jumping in' on an AIBU thread. With the exception of you, IME, from one falsehood to another without context or substance.

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 12:56

nearlylovemyusername · 13/02/2026 12:14

That poster only used defense industry as an example.

UK still has one of the world's leading science and research capabilities, but we are unable to monetise it. The moment there is an invention here, foreign mega money buy it off and make huge profits.

The reason - we try our hardest to make people with business acumen feel unwelcome with our tax the rich mantra.

Exactly this. Arms exports was simply an example, one that is in the news currently because of the ramp up of European defense spending. It could be biotechnology, pharmaceuticals (look at what India has done), aerospace, etc.

Britain is blessed with a highly educated workforce, strong rule of law, great cultural institutions, and a creative and resourceful population. It could be very prosperous if it weren't held back by a political system that can't create a proper environment for economic growth.

whereisitnow · 13/02/2026 12:24

@InWithPeaceOutWithStress Choose the example that works for you to illustrate your point, nobody else’s.

nearlylovemyusername · 13/02/2026 12:21

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 13/02/2026 08:55

Just click on ‘show quote history’ and go right to the start. It was a different poster but you jumped in to respond and continue the argument. You said “you missed a bit. Quite a bit actually” and started talking about how income tax receipts are bigger. I continued my argument that I’m talking about proportion of income, which was the initial comment I responded to.
Calling me a bare faced liar is dramatic, rude, and inaccurate.

Can you please explain your point about low earners paying higher proportion of their income in tax than high earners?

To make it simple, please take one FT NMW single earner (23.8k pa?) with no top up benefits and one 125k earner and show their taxes and which proportion of income it is?

nearlylovemyusername · 13/02/2026 12:17

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 10:51

and how many of those roles would be profitable ? at present a few of them would need cheap labour or volunteers to do the roles, and if a job could be made from those roles then proper wages should be paid for those roles, but then its who pays for the wages and then its back to the argument that yes the roles need doing but its not profitable

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these roles don't need to be profitable though.

If you take from society you must give back, unless truly disabled. There must not be an option to not to work and be funded by taxpayer, bar severe disability. Full stop

nearlylovemyusername · 13/02/2026 12:14

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:33

yes we need to try, but at the same time, we need to be different too and not just rely on the war economy

That poster only used defense industry as an example.

UK still has one of the world's leading science and research capabilities, but we are unable to monetise it. The moment there is an invention here, foreign mega money buy it off and make huge profits.

The reason - we try our hardest to make people with business acumen feel unwelcome with our tax the rich mantra.

Pithykestralfish · 13/02/2026 11:17

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 10:51

and how many of those roles would be profitable ? at present a few of them would need cheap labour or volunteers to do the roles, and if a job could be made from those roles then proper wages should be paid for those roles, but then its who pays for the wages and then its back to the argument that yes the roles need doing but its not profitable

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It’s profitable for society, maybe not the individual. It’s not profitable for individual because benefits make it more profitable to not do the job, it’s distorted the market.

WildLeader · 13/02/2026 10:52

ZookeeperSE · 10/02/2026 19:30

So ultimately, isn't it all our money anyway?

Yeah, and property is theft, Comrade Wolfie!
Power to the people, up the TPF!

🤣🤣👊🏻

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 10:51

Pithykestralfish · 13/02/2026 07:40

Charitable activities? Fix pot holes? Litter picking? Low level policing/visible presence to deter anti social behaviour, Lolly pop people? Traffic wardens? Something to give back, rebuild self esteem and make people feel part of society, As evidenced by the comments on this thread, large groups of people who are dependent on the system are feeling resentful and in some cases hostile towards the people funding it. In turn the people funding it, again obvious in the comments, are fed up of the cost and hostility and are resentful towards the dependent group. It’s not a good situation.

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and how many of those roles would be profitable ? at present a few of them would need cheap labour or volunteers to do the roles, and if a job could be made from those roles then proper wages should be paid for those roles, but then its who pays for the wages and then its back to the argument that yes the roles need doing but its not profitable

AmusedShark · 13/02/2026 10:31

I earn 55k a year so just a few K into the 40% bracket. Which means that if I get a pay rise this year, almost half of it goes to tax.

Not all higher-rate tax payers are earning huge amounts.

It's deflating when you will only receive half of a pay rise and if you're one of those people that doesn't receive a lot of tangible personal benefits from paying tax, it can cause a bit of resentment.

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 13/02/2026 08:55

NorthXNorthWest · 13/02/2026 02:23

That is a bare faced lie. Do better.

Just click on ‘show quote history’ and go right to the start. It was a different poster but you jumped in to respond and continue the argument. You said “you missed a bit. Quite a bit actually” and started talking about how income tax receipts are bigger. I continued my argument that I’m talking about proportion of income, which was the initial comment I responded to.
Calling me a bare faced liar is dramatic, rude, and inaccurate.

Pithykestralfish · 13/02/2026 07:40

Eddiestrangerthings · 12/02/2026 23:10

but then the problem is society only needs so many workers for so many businesses to make a profit etc so what to do with the rest of the workers if there was no benefit system ?

Charitable activities? Fix pot holes? Litter picking? Low level policing/visible presence to deter anti social behaviour, Lolly pop people? Traffic wardens? Something to give back, rebuild self esteem and make people feel part of society, As evidenced by the comments on this thread, large groups of people who are dependent on the system are feeling resentful and in some cases hostile towards the people funding it. In turn the people funding it, again obvious in the comments, are fed up of the cost and hostility and are resentful towards the dependent group. It’s not a good situation.

Whooo · 13/02/2026 02:26

This is an unintelligent and uneducated view.

No, the public isn’t literally paying for the salaries of higher earners. You can only make that argument for public sector workers and that obviously includes the low paid ones. You can also make that argument for benefit claimants as that comes out of the public purse.

But no, the salaries of self employed or high earning employees in private sector do not stem from the public purse and are not allocated in the budget etc the same way public sector salaries or benefit claims are.

Beyond that obviously you have to be special and work hard to command a high salary to begin with, so it’s totally valid to find it frustrating seeing 40% of that being taxed when others are scrounging off the public purse. People don’t pay you £125k for nothing there is going to be an element of risk/expertise/stress attached.

NorthXNorthWest · 13/02/2026 02:23

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 12/02/2026 20:32

That’s the initial comment / argument I responded to. The start of this thread.

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That is a bare faced lie. Do better.

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 02:11

after running analysis on our coversations on this thread i realise a better option is : Chase growth and use the intelligence services to help assist with that growth

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:50

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 01:44

I don’t understand your point. BAE is never going to have a monopoly on arms exports and Darktrace will never have a monopoly on cybersecurity software and services.

fair points , ive just done some extra research on the point i was going to make and ill admit i was wrong, and from my analysis your correct at this point in time

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 01:44

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:41

but when companies become too good then its anti monopoly etc so how does that help etc

I don’t understand your point. BAE is never going to have a monopoly on arms exports and Darktrace will never have a monopoly on cybersecurity software and services.

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:41

blueshoes · 13/02/2026 01:37

Sure it is competitive, but to stagnate is to die.

You know the premise of The Red Queen. You have to run just to stay in one place. To get anywhere, you have to run faster than everyone else. Invest more, innovate more, sell more.

The US is the dominant economy but you got to admire the Chinese. They have a different economy and political system but starting from a low base have put in place long term plans decades in the making that are now bearing fruit.

Yes, it is possible to catch up, but the will must be there. The incentives of capitalism ultimately drive businesses and individual endeavour.

but when companies become too good then its anti monopoly etc so how does that help etc

blueshoes · 13/02/2026 01:37

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:25

im not saying dont try, im just looking at the end game

Sure it is competitive, but to stagnate is to die.

You know the premise of The Red Queen. You have to run just to stay in one place. To get anywhere, you have to run faster than everyone else. Invest more, innovate more, sell more.

The US is the dominant economy but you got to admire the Chinese. They have a different economy and political system but starting from a low base have put in place long term plans decades in the making that are now bearing fruit.

Yes, it is possible to catch up, but the will must be there. The incentives of capitalism ultimately drive businesses and individual endeavour.

summergin · 13/02/2026 01:34

Don’t make a crazy amount, however as someone who pays “just” 40% tax (Scotland) I won’t be going for any sort of promotion as it will push me into the next bracket and it’s already bullshit I have to pay so much tax then pay tax again on everything I purchase (petrol/food etc.) I’ve worked hard for what I see to be a good job, saved for a house I pay for, paid for my car…(had no “government help) and as yet have never had a child (because I’ve not been in the financial position to support a child) so no IMO I’ve not worked myself into the ground for people who have given half an effort for a small amount of their time to have an equal lifestyle and feel we are all due the same, it’s like saying the person who pushes themselves to go to the gym everyday and eat well should be the same weight as the person who has never stepped foot in the gym and gets a takeaway every night

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:33

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 01:32

So Darktrace and similar UK tech firms should just close their doors and make everyone redundant. Got it.

Or they could continue to innovate and improve their products and grow. Never mind, that’s just daft.

yes we need to try, but at the same time, we need to be different too and not just rely on the war economy

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 01:32

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:18

or you make the product then corporate espionage happens and other countries copy the designs or modifiy them enough to claim they too have invented similar and then they undercut the uk sales of the tech etc

So Darktrace and similar UK tech firms should just close their doors and make everyone redundant. Got it.

Or they could continue to innovate and improve their products and grow. Never mind, that’s just daft.

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:25

blueshoes · 13/02/2026 01:22

@Eddiestrangerthings you sound defeatist. Guess we should all just give up now.

The UK has great qualities like innovation and creativity which if nurtured by a government within a favourable tax regime and supportive framework, including attracting quality talent <shock>, could plant the seeds for growth. It is not going to be overnight but the government should be focusing on ways and means to support businesses in growing sectors, not tax businesses out of existence.

My friend's son is a talented computer genius. He is not from UK and is currently studying in Cambridge. He has been accepted on a very competitive London internship by one of the largest US hedge funds. Having worked out the UK tax regime, he has decided that UK tax residency is not worth it and will be going back to his low tax regime to work once he has graduated. I am sure people wil say don't let the door slam you on the way out. Just another example of a high earning tax payer (he will earn 6 figures off the bat) who could earn his fortune in any developed country making the very rational decision to give the UK a swerve. Oh well, that's his lifetime of potential tax contributions gone.

im not saying dont try, im just looking at the end game

blueshoes · 13/02/2026 01:22

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:00

when you have a number of players all selling weapons, etc then at some point via what ever methods some will get them cheaper, and then it reduces profits etc, plus wars can only last for so long, after all humans can only spend so much on weapons before they run out of battles,

as for the services again you only need so many people to sell the services to and when you have American giants eg JP Morgan, BlackRock etc then how can we compete with them and other countries, etc

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@Eddiestrangerthings you sound defeatist. Guess we should all just give up now.

The UK has great qualities like innovation and creativity which if nurtured by a government within a favourable tax regime and supportive framework, including attracting quality talent <shock>, could plant the seeds for growth. It is not going to be overnight but the government should be focusing on ways and means to support businesses in growing sectors, not tax businesses out of existence.

My friend's son is a talented computer genius. He is not from UK and is currently studying in Cambridge. He has been accepted on a very competitive London internship by one of the largest US hedge funds. Having worked out the UK tax regime, he has decided that UK tax residency is not worth it and will be going back to his low tax regime to work once he has graduated. I am sure people wil say don't let the door slam you on the way out. Just another example of a high earning tax payer (he will earn 6 figures off the bat) who could earn his fortune in any developed country making the very rational decision to give the UK a swerve. Oh well, that's his lifetime of potential tax contributions gone.

Eddiestrangerthings · 13/02/2026 01:18

MissConductUS · 13/02/2026 01:12

The answer to both of those problems is innovation. As arms become more technologically intensive (look at drones in Ukraine, for example), countries will buy from whoever has the most effective systems for sale. Only the lowest value added products become commodities.

Tech is a promising area for British exports, thanks to innovation. Look at Darktrace, a world leader in AI driven cybersecurity. It was started by a group of mathematicians from Cambridge.

But if you don’t believe success is possible, then it isn’t.

or you make the product then corporate espionage happens and other countries copy the designs or modifiy them enough to claim they too have invented similar and then they undercut the uk sales of the tech etc

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