To not want baby near unvaccinated toddler?

This. Everything we do carries a certian amount of risk. Isn't it normal to go with the lowest risk factors? Especially when trying to protect your children?

Well breastfeeding doesn't protect against measles 😅
And measles is a big risk so if people choose not to vaccinate then they really do choose to become social pariahs 🤷🏻‍♀️

Having looked as statistics, there have been 957 confirmed measles cases in the last year. That's barely anything compared to the population of the UK.

Yep. It doesn't feel like barely anything though if you or your child are one of the 957 and who either died or suffered lifelong damage from it.

But as described by a PP below, lots of children and adults are also damaged from having the vaccine itself. They won't generally appear in the figures because the pharmaceutical companies make themselves untouchable and their disclaimers are vast and thorough.

To each their own.

Ultimately it sounds like the OP has already made her mind up and just wants some cheer leaders.

Every part of parenting, and daily life itself, has risks. Basically: make an educated choice and be lucky.

Good luck OP and I genuinely hope you have a lovely time with your baby and wish them good health, they really do grow quickly so enjoy making memories :)) x

TaraC25 · Today 08:58

Having looked as statistics, there have been 957 confirmed measles cases in the last year. That's barely anything compared to the population of the UK.

That equates to about 100 with compromised immune systems, which take years to recover properly. It makes simple illnesses far more serious.

About 200 will require hospitalisation, with about 50 of them developing pneumonia. One of them will have had potentially fatal encephalitis. Between 10 & 30 of the entire cohort will die as a direct result of catching measles.

One in 9 will develop nerve damage, with the commonest result being visual and hearing problems - they will never recover from this.

I don't disagree with you on that (I'm since vaccinated and so are my kids). Luckily as a child no one avoided me because of my vaccination status but I guess that's the 80s for you where people didn't have social media to get themselves all worked up over. I feel sorry for the kids who aren't vaccinated, firstly because of the risks to their health and secondly because they are branded as a risk and to keep away from.

It's because herd immunity protected people and children as it kept up the 95% rate due to people getting their children vaccinated. Measles is a horrific, horrific disease which was pretty much eradicated in the UK, up until that evil man (who I can't even bring myself to name) doctored a research paper that claimed the MMR caused autism. Total and utter piffle. He's been stuck off now thankfully, but the damage he has done with this and I do hold him responsible for the deaths of vulnerable people and children from measles since.

Idiotic people still believe the nonsense so unfortunately the UK has now slipped down the list of safe countries without measles due to absolute idiots like this half brothers half brother who won't vaccinate their child. The levels of herd immunity need to stay above 95% as it protects those who cannot get vaccinated due to immune issues etc.

What we are seeing now is the cause and effect of this dip.

made up numbers but the idea is right - ii may have understated the benefit of the vaccine

if we had 10000 children who got vaccinated we may get 1 who suffered a reaction to the vaccine

if we have 10000 children unvaccinated we may have 5 dead and 50 harmed for life

i know which group I would like my children to be in

there is no conspiracy and death rates are available for analysis

I wouldn’t want much to do with a family of anti vaxxers independent of the viral risk to baby. Any more than I would want flat earthers ro be spending lots of time with my children.

but it’s clear your partner views them as family - and family isn’t simple blood lines for many people

and yes you will pass by unvaccinated kids every day - although you are less likely to be in close contact with them until you are attending toddler groups - when your child will be old enough to be vaccinated

don’t some eu countries insist on vaccination before kids go to school ? The uk may be a bit behind in this

so I think you have to agree to a low level of contact for your partners sake but try and control it - outside meetings , short sessions, limited physical contact

and if they ask just be blunt - you think they are risking their children’s health their choice but you won’t let them risk your child’s health

I can reply the same way , my son had all his vaccines until the mmr where he was brain damaged for life . Consequently none of his siblings had it . None had measles , my son had measles himself 2 years after . Attacking others by calling them Google readers is offensive when i live daily with the consequences of vaccines and see people on this thread calling names to people who don’t vaccine without even trying to understand the reasons . So with all due respect I maintain what I say when I say no child vaccinated or not can pass on what they don’t have . I suggest OP maintain her child at home away from baby groups , swimming , and any other baby activities because nobody is obligated to disclose what their decision about vaccines is .

Having looked as statistics, there have been 957 confirmed measles cases in the last year. That's barely anything compared to the population of the UK.

957 cases more than there should have been

You are probably too young to have had measles. I have had it. It has affected my hearing and my eyesight.

Back in the day children used to have to stay in isolation hospitals if they caught measles.

You need to educate yourself.

Having looked as statistics, there have been 957 confirmed measles cases in the last year. That's barely anything compared to the population of the UK.

It's a bit different if the toddler in question was snotty/sneezing and expecting to visit your young baby, but if they're in full health they're a very very minimal risk.

Maybe the compromise could be to meet out and about in a public space rather than have them to your home.
And realistically, how much attention is a toddler going to pay a baby anyway - barely any.

OP welcome to the world of parenting: where you'll be judged if you do, or judged if you don't.

Speak with your partner and come up with a compromise you're both happy with, but ultimately it's his child too and he also has a say in who baby meets.

A baby doesn’t have to be seriously ill to have long term consequences of an illness so it’s about more than the risks of catching it and dying or being hospitalised. My son caught RSV at two weeks old (before the vaccine was available). He wasn’t seriously ill or hospitalised so wouldn’t appear in the statistics, but he’s had eight years of consequences from it so far including having to call an ambulance for breathing difficulties four times and missing a lot of school.
So stick to your guns when you know a child is unvaccinated, it’s not only about the unlikely outcomes.

Can you not distinguish between known risk factors and unknown?

There are a frightening number of posters on this thread who seemingly can't.

Well I'm shocked. Gobsmacked. Oh no, hang on...

It's all about dealing with known risks. It's the same with covid. Why would you knowingly put a baby at risk when you know the risks are higher?

Can you not distinguish between known risk factors and unknown?

I agree. Too many posters have no understanding about risks and how to minimise them.

Every time you go out in a car you run the risk of crossing paths with a drunk driver because life is full of unknown risks. Would you choose to be a passenger - with your child - in a car with a driver you know to be drunk?

Every time you eat chicken you are at risk of food poisoning, but we keep it in the fridge and cook thoroughly to avoid that. Would you happily eat chicken you've seen sitting out, uncovered, on a worktop all day and that's still pink in the middle?

Can you not distinguish between known risk factors and unknown?

It's all about dealing with known risks. It's the same with covid. Why would you knowingly put a baby at risk when you know the risks are higher?

Of course they bloody don't! 😂

This. Their choice not to vaccinate, your choice not to want contact with unvaccinated. Choices are not always free from consequences.

Do you have reliable sources for this information? Double blind tests, peer reviewed data etc.? Not something you read on Facebook.

I'm afraid you will have little choice. They will undoubtedly go to nursery/ school with some unvaccinated kids. Us unvaccinated kids don't carry a sign you know.

Absolutely not! I would not let my children hang out with unvaccinated kids but also, I don't want to hang out with anti-vax weirdos.

Are you never going to attend toddler groups or leave the house? How do you know if kids in the park/softplay are vaccinated. Understand yours is a baby and your only child atm. But it's not realistic. I wouldn't stop taking my older kids out to their groups in case their newborn sibling caught something.
Sounds just like you're not up for having anything to do with this person or their child.
I bet you start baby groups and won't have a clue who is / isn't vaccinated. Newsflash people don't have to tell you or can even lie.