To not want baby near unvaccinated toddler?

And you would hope that the rest of that baby’s family including older siblings are vaccinated — as most are, since they want the best for their children, so it’s a rational assumption to make.

How is it different? Youwould now any baby under a year old hasnt had mmr vaccine

The insinuation is that my children are unvaccinated and in some way, suffering.

My childrens vaccine status and overall health has nothing to do with you, or anyone else.

You know what's not nice?

Risking the lives vulnerable people and children who can't have vaccines, or who had and have, unknowingly, lost immunity. Anti-vaxxers destroy herd immunity, and herd immunity protects those people.

Anti-vaxxers and their children are disease vectors and the more disease vectors you have, the more a disease can circulate. The more it circulates, the higher the risk of mutation which would render the vaccine less effective if not useless. Then EVERYONE is at risk again.

It's quite silly for an antivaxxer to say you should respect their choice as they respect yours. Nah, our choices, as vaxxers, protect them; their choices are bloody dangerous for society.

Good for him I say. Because the NHS doesn't pay well and it's not a great employer for staff morale, so if he has found a side hustle.. great!!

I'm not anti-vax. I'm pro-choice and anti-bullying!!

Nice. Resorting to insults and bullying - classy!

During the pandemic, approximately 100,000 NHS and social care staff were going to be sacked for not agreeing to have the covid vaccine trial.

Yeah, the measles vax is not a trial, though, it's a longstanding safe vaccination. A vaccination that had all but eradicated measles until idiots started refusing it.
The Anti-vaxxers are only to make the choice not to vaccinate their children because they're depending on everyone else vaccinating.

Dr Steven James who had an issue with mass vaccination for NHS staff but said he was pro-vaccine for the groups who were at risk? Who chose not to have the vaccine for himself for his own reasons, but never said nobody should get it? Who has never spoken out against any other vaccine?

The “ICU doctor” who is largely now just touting his Weightloss programmes and £500 a session breathing classes?

He’s the guy you are basing your entire anti-vax stance on?

The fact you think it's one doctor shows how uneducated you are on facts.
During the pandemic, approximately 100,000 NHS and social care staff were going to be sacked for not agreeing to have the covid vaccine trial. So it wasn't just one doctor, far from it.

This is entirely irrelevant to OPs situation other than pointing out that there are many people that make decisions different to our own; that doesn't make them selfish, stupid or careless. It makes them human. EVERY single one of us has autonomy over our own body and what we choose to put into it: if the OP doesn't want her child around an unvaccinated child that's her right... I still personally think it's a bit ridiculous, but that's the thing with opinions - they're like arseholes - we all have one and I'm absolutely fine with people disagreeing with me on that.

Im confident in the choices I made for my own babies and I respect people's right to make their choices too, even if they differ from my own.

Okay.
So if you go on to have another baby, are you going to stay indoors for the first 13 months? Because you surely will be supervising your older child to socialise; soft play, swimming, play dates etc and they will absolutely breathe the same air as others..!

Ultimately OP has the choice to stay in a sterile bubble for a long as she wishes, or as long as her circumstances allow and that is her right.

You say this like it’s impossible. My daughter wasn’t around any other babies or toddlers before she was vaccinated. We don’t have any in our family and there was never a situation where it would happen.

There is no world where I would have introduced an unvaccinated toddler into our home before she was vaccinated.

Nice assumption.

You will find that many highly intelligent and educated people don't get vaccines.
Look up Dr Steven James who gave his thoughts on the covid Vax, he is an ITU Doctor.

It's offensive to resort to insults and name-calling.

How selfless of you.

Don't tell me.. You've had six covid boosters and are still terrified to go near anyone with a snotty nose...?

It’s different when you know someone definitely isn’t vaccinated though I should think. You don’t usually know these things so therefore you aren’t faced with the choice.

Oh kindly fuck off. If we didn’t make those choices all the kids would be fucking dying of diseases we had almost eradicated. I don’t care if it’s virtue signalling, non vaxxers are fucking morons who have taken advantage of our choice to do the right thing for too long.

"We have to take the risks"... Nice bit of virtue signalling there. You don't HAVE to. You chose to. Everything is a choice.

TaraC25 · Today 09:39

But as described by a PP below, lots of children and adults are also damaged from having the vaccine itself.

https://cks.nice.org.uk/topics/measles/background-information/complications/

• Complications of measles occur in 10–20% of people in developed countries, but the number may be much higher in developing countries.
• Blindness can result from measles keratoconjunctivitis or other ocular complications, and occurs mainly in children with vitamin A deficiency. Measles is a leading cause of childhood blindness globally.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/signs-symptoms/index.html

Side effects of the MMR vaccine
Like all medicines, the MMR vaccine can cause side effects, but not everyone will get them.
Common side effects are usually mild and only last 2 to 3 days, they include:

• a raised, blotchy rash (similar to a measles rash), feeling unwell and a high temperature around 7 to 11 days after the vaccination
• swollen glands around the cheeks, neck and jaw and aching in your joints (similar to a mild form of mumps) around 2 to 3 weeks after the vaccination

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/mmr-vaccine/

Most babies are in childcare before getting the MMR though. And no one gets neurotic about that

Well no, but you also can't eradicate all risk.
There is risk to taking medication, I've seen some horrendous reactions to prescribed medications, it doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken by anyone ever... It means you have to make a choice and be fairly confident in that.

It is entirely natural to suffer 'survivors guilt' and what ifs when things don't go as expected.

As a new mum, OP is going to face a lot of judged decisions over the coming years, my best advice is grow a thick skin..!

I would just say ‘not until my baby is vaccinated as I’m aware yours isn’t.’ It’s about time these non vaxxers realised their actions have consequences. They’ve been relying on us vaccinating our children so that theirs remain safe and it’s so unfair! We have to take the risks and listen to all these people tell us the risks and we do it anyway, wondering if we’ve made the right choice, feeling guilty, people telling us our kids might be autistic because we vaccinated etc. I feel quite strongly about this. Tell them straight.

Does that mean your baby doesn't see any other babies until they are 13 months plus and had the MMR?