To not want baby near unvaccinated toddler?

Well they could have vaccinated you?

Do we not all make an effort to avoid catching our eyes on hooks, though? Would it not make similar sense to try and avoid infectious diseases? 🙄

This is not correct.

There is still an intubation period with unvaccinated children and it is likely to be at least 4 days before symptoms show.

Vaccinated children are much less likely to catch measles and therefore to pass it on. If they do catch it it may be milder but is unlikely to be completely asymptomatic.

If a child is unvaccinated then they would b sick with said things like measles there’s more chance of a vaccinated child carrying the disease whilst not being effected because they’re vaccinated so u wouldn’t b better not letting anyone near ur baby until they’re vaccinated

Ask your partner which is more important to him. The safety of his child or the feelings of the adults involved.

It's interesting what a PP mentioned about measles infection causing low immune function for a few years afterwards which can leave people susceptible to other illnesses. I've just realised why myself, my DSIS and DB contracted other illnesses the following year - other than them maybe being prevalent at the time. According to my DM's records we all had measles in 1965, then whooping cough (even though vaccinated for it) and glandular fever in 1966. This was before the vaccines were available. I remember her saying how run arse ragged she was looking after us, to the point she had to stop breastfeeding our youngest DB, and how some of her friend's children didn't survive.

Have I vaccinated my DC? Although I was ok, and have lifelong immunity to measles, you bet I have.

"Side effects of the MMR vaccine
Like all medicines, the MMR vaccine can cause side effects, but not everyone will get them.
Common side effects are usually mild and only last 2 to 3 days, they include:

• a raised, blotchy rash (similar to a measles rash), feeling unwell and a high temperature around 7 to 11 days after the vaccination
• swollen glands around the cheeks, neck and jaw and aching in your joints (similar to a mild form of mumps) around 2 to 3 weeks after the vaccination"

So these are within the incubation period of mumps and measles and are definitely not mumps and measles, just similar.
Handy to know.

over50andfab · Today 14:44

Sorry to hear that. 2 doses are 95% effective against measles, however no vaccine is 100%

It's actually 97% for two doses and 93% for a single one. Some publications combine the two figures and say 95% without differentiating.

For measles, the herd immunity threshold is 95% vaccination rate, which results in people unvaccinated - for whatever reason, simply not being exposed to the virus. Tragically, because of disinformation, which is believed by people, we're significantly below that currently.

TaraC25 · Today 13:28

Well of course loosing a child at any age is sad. Children still die now, despite vaccines.

In vastly fewer numbers, of course, because many common diseases have effectively been eradicated - by vaccinations. When did you last see a charity box for the deaf, dumb and blind? (A not unusual complication of measles). How about polio kids with calipers, or on breathing devices?

So your argument is that all children should receive a vaccine now, because 250 years ago some children died from something else?

They were dying of the same diseases we vaccinate for now.

I can't read the rest without registering but now there should be a lot more immunity. Illnesses will go in cycles.
Adults generally don't get the characteristic whoop it's more likely to go undiagnosed.

Re Pertussis, I couldn't find UK data for last/this year (maybe someone else can for all of last year) but came across this which makes for sad reading https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/article/news/whooping-cough-cases-increase-by-1600-in-a-year-data-show

The bullet points were from here.
https://www.rch.org.au/kidsinfo/fact_sheets/whooping_cough/

I was looking for information about how long immunity from pertussis vaccine lasts. (4-10 years), so there are probably lots of unprotected adults around.

However, to complicate things, immunity from infection is more long lasting (7-20 years)
So many of these adults whose vaccine immunity waned long ago may have had since had an infection, mild or otherwise, that has left them with immunity
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5404361/

Sorry to hear that. 2 doses are 95% effective against measles, however no vaccine is 100%

We weren’t recommended or offered anything regarding adult vaccines
Not even dh or I. Is this a recent thing ?

@ContentedAlpaca

Vaccination while pregnant passes antibodies on to baby but protection is short term until baby can receive its own vaccinations.

I guess it must offer some, but not complete protection if they are advising it? Presumably from antibodies passed from the mother.

So does that mean the vaccine they give mums during pregnancy is pointless then? Thought that was to protect the babies until they had the vaccines themselves

The father's of the 2 babies I know ( both under 14 months) were never offered boosters

I found this really interesting. I hope grandma gets her booster to protect baby!

• All babies less than six months old are at risk of catching whooping cough because they have not completed the three-dose primary vaccine course. This risk period is longer if the six-month vaccines are not given on time.
• Protection against whooping cough can last for up to 10 years after a booster dose but starts to wane after 4-5 years.
• A booster dose of adult whooping cough vaccine is recommended for all parents of newborns. Grandparents and other carers in contact with children who are less than six months old should also have an adult pertussis booster, even if they have been infected with whooping cough in the past.
• Every adult is susceptible to whooping cough infection unless they have had a recent pertussis booster. Adults are the ones most likely to spread infection to babies under six months who are not yet fully vaccinated.

It was 1:3 ratio in the baby room up to 2 years at DS nursery so not getting point of your posts. And some of those kids are old enough to have vaccines and some arent

Also not all the kids were full time so a bigger amount of kids DS went 4 days, some 2 days so other kids made up the other 3 days etc

Adults are recommended to get TDAP every 10 years. I caught pertussis when travelling and it was awful (I didn't know I had it, just though very sick with bronchitis). Managed to get to a doctor and get antibiotics. The cough was horrifying - I literally though I would die as I couldn't get air in/out mid coughing fit.
After I got home and recovered I got updated vaccinations for everything. I've done it a couple of times, not including pregnancy vaccinations.

I agree but
Like I said at meal times etc it’s not the case

In terms of babies theoretically protected by being in a seperate environment for most of the time this is only relevant if they don’t have older siblings or all older siblings are vaccinated.

Sorry, better links
https://www.rch.org.au/kidsinfo/fact_sheets/whooping_cough/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5088088/

It wanes around 10% per year.

www.cdc.gov/pertussis/hcp/vaccine-recommendations/index.html#:~:text=Immunity%20to%20pertussis%20following%20Tdap,protection%20against%20tetanus%20and%20diphtheria.

You said in NO world would you let your baby near an unvaccinated toddler.

Nurseries in the U.K. cannot legally insist on vaccinations